[lloeki]

Saying that all languages have some sort of idiomatic issues therefore there's no point complaining about language X is a fallacy that attempts to completely sidestep the issue at hand. You have to admit that although they may be Turing complete, all such languages are not pragmatically equivalent and some have significant pain points, possibly more impactful than others, otherwise we'd all code in INTERCAL and be all the merrier

[macintux]

I once wrote (by hand, over 3 or 4 pages) a program to add (I think, been >20 years) two integers using a Turing machine. I can definitely attest that not all languages are equivalent.