[youdontknowtho]

So because you have experience with Microsoft (a huge company with many products and projects) that means that anything that they do in open source is automatically BS?

I'm actually in close contact with the Microsoft product teams that I depend on, and while I wish they only listened to me, they don't...but it's not the end of the world and it doesn't color every perception I have of them.

Even when things are quite bad and they don't have an answer I want to hear...that doesn't mean that I can use that experience as the only criteria for all of my future interactions. What about the stuff that they get right? Does that have any value?

People here go crazy about privacy and Intel's ME. They don't flip a crazy bit when Intel releases something open source or judge every product against their hatred of the management engine. Does Intel support every single project that they open source forever? How about IBM?

[cjsuk]

If you go to McDonalds and someone serves you a turd instead of a burger three times in a row, do you go back again?

If IBM or Intel served me a turd, I wouldn't go back again. In fact IBM served me a helping of WebSphere once and I didn't go back.

[mseebach]

So you want to be the angry guy in the corner holding a grudge, that's cool. The Microsoft of yore was really yucky, and I'm happy I'll probably never have to consider whether SQLServer is the right DB for a job and that "a real webbrowser" has caught on as an accepted casual term for any browser that isn't IE.

But this isn't that, and the rest of us here kinda just want to get on with it and build cool stuff and this helps us do that.

[cjsuk]

I prefer pragmatist. I think we have the same goal really which is avoiding anything that is a commercial risk, money and time sink and that’s the status quo with this particular organisation even to this day.

[mseebach]

Ok, great. This isn't a commercial risk (MIT license) nor a money sink (free). So time sink remains, and whether it is a such should be reasonably quick to work out (give it a spin, see what happens).

No, I don't think we have the same goal, and you certainly do not come off very pragmatically.

[youdontknowtho]

They don't only sell one thing. They are the definition of a complex company and environment. Not everything they do is bad. Some things they do really well.

Seriously, you had a bad experience with one IBM product. Would that keep you from looking at other things they do? They do lots of amazing things and make some platforms that define the sector for solving certain kinds of problems.

[cjsuk]

That was one of several IBM products that I had a bad experience with. Lotus Notes too for example.

[youdontknowtho]

(In which I forgot about Notes and beg forgiveness....Sheesh. I had a bad experience with it too.)

[cjsuk]

Yeah it wasn't much fun was it :)