[jgome]

What I mean is exactly what I said: start by looking at the dirt your own country may have BEFORE looking at someone else's dirt. You may learn a thing or two about your government, the upper classes in your country, the racism and xenophobia they use as a way to get more power elsewhere, the reasons the other governments have to do what they do, etc.

[andybak]

I'm pretty conversant in the shitty things "my" country has done. How does that relate to the matter at hand?

PS - I'm from the UK - not US if that changes things.

I think you may be arguing with an imaginary straw man version of me. I'm not sure I stand for the things you're railing against.