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by stuntkite 3153 days ago
Neither of those are even close to better. Basically the same but with more letters and muddy the waters.

The only way to improve the concept, IMO, is to find the definition of the real thing you are looking for. I think the goal is exponential outcome? That's what business owners are looking for with any hire. Fit is silly, it all seems like a puzzle, but it's an ecology. You want a catalyst that challenges and unifies or someone that strengthens the existing base.

EDIT: Clarity
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ebiester 3153 days ago
As mentioned above, the best way to describe is that people who want a culture like http://programming-motherfucker.com/ advocates for is the wrong fit for us.

And that's the problem with fit questions - it's much easier to say what is not us rather than what is us. I like the ecology metaphor, though. Organizations as ecologies...

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notacoward 3153 days ago
> Neither of those are even close to better.

You just failed the "being civil" part of the interview. I think I'll let the GP judge whether those are better. At least I'm trying to help instead of just slinging stones at others' attempts.

> Exponential outcome maybe?

Seriously? You complain about "more letters" and muddying the waters then you vomit up that monstrosity?

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stuntkite 3153 days ago
I am really sorry you read that that way. I was not saying your contribution wasn't useful to the dialog. I was just saying that I think the category of "fit" doesn't need a different term at the front but more a rethink. I was not saying "Exponential Outcome" was a better set of words, but just my first blush at what I think the desired thing in a hire is that could be used to define new terms. I've changed my post to reflect that.

Again, sorry for making you feel like I was shitting on your contribution.

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notacoward 3153 days ago
> I think the category of "fit" doesn't need a different term at the front but more a rethink.

That didn't seem to be what $ancestor was asking for. It sounded like s/he was wishing for a slightly different phrase for a slightly different concept, vs. what "culture fit" usually means. Your "rethink" was not that. It was a complete shift from strategy to outcome. Is that help, or appropriation? Not for me to decide, but perhaps something to think about. It's a mistake we engineers often make, and I'm hardly innocent myself.

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stuntkite 3153 days ago
I literally have no idea what you are talking about.
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