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by mark242 3160 days ago
"Hopefully a JavaScript-free Web can still happen."

The phone you're reading this post on has nearly as many CPU cycles available to run code as the web server that generated the html. Why on earth would you not want to distribute the overall application load.
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ramshorns 3160 days ago
> Why on earth would you not want to distribute the overall application load.

Maybe because I want my phone battery to last a long time, but I don't care how much electricity the web server uses. Maybe also because the JavaScript is probably proprietary software [0], which I don't want to run on my computer.

[0] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html

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ballenf 3159 days ago
FWIW, the HTML + CSS approach of the author is just as copyrightable and potentially non-free as the JS in question. There's really no difference. Sure his 'code' is practically pointless, but that's no obstacle to being non-free.

Uglified/minified HTML+CSS is almost as difficult to parse by humans as JS.

I'm all for free software and very supportive of the arguments, but the pro-HTML, anti-JS rhetoric never made a lot of sense to me, consistency-wise, at least in these days of CSS3.

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na85 3159 days ago
Blocking js was one of the best decisions I have made. The web is so much more usable and pleasant without it.
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flukus 3159 days ago
1. Because having the web server render html doesn't use appreciably more CPU cycles than encoding the raw data in json anyway.

2. The web server has much more efficient languages available meaning that it's probably far fewer total CPU cycles than rendering on the client.

3. The web server can also cache the results and only render it once for a thousand users, can't do that with client side rendering, so your using far more CPU cycles there.

4. The server knows when the content changes, it can even render the page ahead of time, the client can't.

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nilved 3159 days ago
I am doing that by downloading, parsing, rendering and evaluating the HTML and CSS. I'm not giving you arbitrary code execution. Do you want to fold proteins too?

I also think this is something Web people overlook. Our phones are _insanely_ powerful, yet almost all Web sites are slow-loading garbage: because of JavaScript.

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