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by sunsetMurk 3160 days ago
curious - are there any reports/#'s out there that indicate attendance is lower than normal? +correlation w/ kneeling players?
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The vast majority of NFL tickets are sold before the start of the season so teams are still claiming sellouts, which while technically correct, gives an impression that isn't reflected in actual people in the seats. I'm not sure how the NFL counts attendance but in NCAA football each school decides on what methodology to use. Some don't count hotdog vendors, some count every person inside the stadium, some just estimate the crowd without bothering with an actual count. It wouldn't surprise me if some pro teams massaged their numbers to appear larger than the actual number of fans who show up.
> It wouldn't surprise me if some pro teams massaged their numbers to appear larger than the actual number of fans who show up.

Without any substantiating evidence the opposite wouldn't surprise me either.

Please provide backing evidence that demonstrates the counts are maliciously inflated, at an increased rate, which masks lower turnout.

I have no evidence that if wouldn't surprise me other than actually writing out that it wouldn't surprise me. You'll simply have to take my word that I wouldn't be surprised.
You can look at the raw stats yourself here[0].

I did some quick calculation here, and it looks like attendance is not lower, in fact, it's slightly higher. 2016 average attendance was 66,586, while this year's average attendance so far is 68,925.

(This doesn't account for lower-attended games towards the end of the season for poor-performing teams; end of the season games often don't sell out for such teams, and these stats may be skewed because we haven't reached the end of the season yet. If I were to guess, by year's end attendance will be slightly lower for 2017.)

What is down is ratings. That is well-documented[1].

[0]: http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance/_/year/2016

[1]: http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/20/media/nfl-tv-ratings-week-2/...

Those official attendance figures count tickets issued, not how many fans actually go through the turnstiles. (Teams refuse to release those counts to the public).

You can see massive amounts of empty seats in 4 or 5 NFL stadiums right now. Some cities have extremely loyal fan bases regardless of record (e.g. Green Bay, Pittsburgh), but you can see many seats going completely unsold in Levi's Stadium (49ers).

In fact, Pittsburgh was the reference standard that the 49ers (for one) used as a comparison in selling licenses for their building ("see how WELL those licenses are selling! Don't miss out!").

I've yet to find any. If you look at attendance for the last decade there seems to be no indication that it is actually declining.
Nope.