[alistproducer2]

I would totally support micro-payments to content producers as opposed to the status quo. Until then.....Kodi all day baby! Cut the cord and never going back!

I, however, didn't buy one pre-packaged. I did it the "hard" way and installed it on a Rpi3. If only I could play netflix on it, it would be perfect.

[Crosseye_Jack]

You need the widevine lib but I was under the impression that recent builds of kodi could support Amazon Prime and Netflix content via plugins (valid accounts for both are obv needed)

https://github.com/asciidisco/plugin.video.netflix

EDIT: Reading the issues on the NF Plugin GH seems like you will need a heatsink for the RPI3 and you are prob only going to max out at 720p

[mschuster91]

> EDIT: Reading the issues on the NF Plugin GH seems like you will need a heatsink for the RPI3 and you are prob only going to max out at 720p

Why, though? Isn't the Pi CPU the same family that's also in smartphones, where Netflix works even with the FHD (or Retina!) screens everyone and their dog puts in a smartphone?

[Crosseye_Jack]

It seems to be down to inputstream.adaptive which is the bridge between widevine and kodi. See all the decoding has to be done in software and atm inputstream.adaptive isn’t refined/optimised enough for lower end CPUs such as what powers the RPI.

Remember that the rpi is designed to be cheap. The whole rpi3 board is sold for $35 which still makes a profit for the board manufacturers and the Raspberry Pi foundation. So “corners” had to be cut somewhere and using a less powerful CPU helps keep the cost down.

Note: The devs believe they will be able to get 1080p widevine protect content to playback smoothly sooner or later, but as of the last time I looked at it, that belief is a best guess, I dunno if they have optimised the code yet or if they have changed their opinion of if/when it will be done.

[mschuster91]

> See all the decoding has to be done in software

So you're saying that, basically, Netflix is leaving the whole hardware acceleration capabilities of any mobile SoC and most recent-ish desktop/laptop chipset on the table and does basically its own decoding from crypted bitstream to framebuffer?!

Who designed this crap?

[Crosseye_Jack]

Sorry if I worded it badly, I didn't mean to imply that all Widewine content is decoded in software on all platforms, just that's the way its handled on Kodi running on a Raspberry Pi.

Now i'm not a widevine "Partner" just a person with too much time on my hands and an interest in DRM. So for anyone who works on kodi or who is reading who is a widevine partner who's NDA's prevent you from correcting please forgive any mistakes. This is just my understanding of Widevine.

As I understand it on Android/ChromeOS widevine can decrypt and decode in hardware but I believe its done via a HAL.

As far as I understand it there are 3 security levels to widevine Level1 being the highest and 3 being the lowest.

Level 1 is where the decrypt and decode are all done within a trusted execution environment (As far as I understand it Google work with chipset vendors such as broadcom, qualcomm, etc to implement this) and then sent directly to the screen.

Level 2 is where widevine decrypts the content within the TEE and passes the content back to the application for decoding which could then be decoded with hardware or software.

Level 3 (I believe) is where widevine decrypts and decodes the content within the lib itself (it can use a hardware cryptographic engine but the rpi doesn't have one).

Android/ChromeOS support either Level1 or Level3 depending on the hardware and Chrome on desktops only seems to support Level 3. Kodi is using the browser implementation (at least when kodi is not running on Android) of widevine which seems to only support Level 3 (So decrypt & decode in software) and therefore can not support hardware decoding. But that doesn't mean that hardware decoding of widevine protected content can not be supported on any mobile SoC. Sorry if I gave that impression.

When a license for media is requested the security level it will be decrypted/decoded with is also sent and the returned license will restrict the widevine CDM to that security level.

I believe NetFlix only support Level 1 and Level 3, which is why for a while the max resolution you could get watching NetFlix on chrome in a desktop browser was 720p as I believe that was the max resolution NetFlix offered at Level 3 and we had to use Edge/IE(iirc) to watch at 1080p as it used a different DRM system (PlayReady) and why atm Desktop 4k Netflix is only currently supported on Edge using (iirc) Intel gen7+ processors and NVidia Pascal GPUs (I don't know if AMD support PlayReady 3.0 on their GPUs as I don't have one so not really had the desire to investigate, I'm guessing that current Ryzen CPUs do not as they currently don't have integrated GPUs).

On Android where Netflix's app believed Level 1 was supported it would request a Level 1 license and then Widevine would then pass the content off to the TEE for decryption and decode which would then use hardware for decoding. If it didn't believe that Level 1 was supported it would fallback to Level 3 which is why some Android tablets had to run a modified NetFlix app to force Level 1 requests because the official app wasn't tested on that device and was put on the supported devices list even though it did support Level 1 (running the modified app on a device that didn't support Level 1 wouldn't result in playback).

[mschuster91]

Thanks for clearing it up!

And... Jeez. What utter amount of bullsh.t and wasted money... everyone with a bluray drive and a copy of AnyDVD HD can create a perfect untraceable backup anyway so why do the studios insist on making the experience for Netflix users as bad as possible?!

[MikeKusold]

Amazon and Apple both allow you to buy per episode already. I'm guessing what you mean is that the price per episode isn't "micro" enough for you.

[TrinaryWorksToo]

Each episode of G O T is 3.00 on youtube. Or you can buy the whole season for $20 HBO GO is $15 per month and you can watch more than one season. This is clearly way too high a price. In theory, google should compete with HBO GO and lower their price.

[Crosseye_Jack]

Don't the rights holders for these shows set the price and not Google? (The Price per episode is the same as if you buy the episodes on Amazon Video)

Also on YouTube you are "Buying" the episode / season so you can watch it anytime you want, with HBO Go if you stop paying the subscription you lose access to the content.

[Mindwipe]

Google are granting permanent (to all intents and purposes) ownership of the content to view, whereas a month does not cover time to watch all the episodes of a new season, and goes away the second you stop subscribing, and allows the content to be downloaded. Your theory is comparing apples and oranges.

[TrinaryWorksToo]

In practice people usually watch an episode once or twice. They lose access if they lose the account, they do not own the episode. Additionally, Google could compete and make a monthly streaming service too, which they don't except for live tv. Why aren't they competing with a streaming service? Because they have Google Play.

[thanatropism]

What, in practice people are burned out by twice-to-thrice-a-generation format changes. I have a bunch of TV series in DVD boxes and now have no DVD player.