[rorski]

I don't agree that crappy climate is a poor reason to avoid a move. Ideally it's not your only reason, but the climate in California is definitely a major selling point for just about everyone (myself included) who have come here from the east coast and the primary reason I won't go back. And the surrounding outdoors (if you're into that) is much better in SF than NYC, and really any city I know of in the US. A 30-45 minute drive from SF can get you into Muir Woods, wine country, Half Moon bay, etc. Really beautiful places that are very accessible for a weekend day trip. 45 min from NYC gets you to... Staten Island? Coney Island if you're lucky? It's a no brainer for me on that front.

[closure]

Yes I understand that and the outdoors activities have no appeal to me.

I’ve lived in Michigan, Texas, Washington, California. The weather in California is dramatically better than the others, but on balance I would much rather give up 3+ hrs of commuting a day for 1hr where some of that is in a humid subway station.

If you haven’t lived in the humid areas of Texas, you don’t know that it’s much worse than NYC/Boston/etc in summer. Rather than 85-90 with 85% humidity, think 104 with 85+% humidity. With virtually zero culture. And continual rain throughout the otherwise mild winter.

[jacobolus]

“Yeah, you say the 4-month-long Northeast summers are bad, but have you considered it would be a lot worse if you were living ankle-deep in a swamp?

“Yeah, you say the 6-month-long Northeast winters are bad, but have you considered that it would be a lot worse if you were living under a blizzard in far-northern prairie?

“Also, there are 2 nice months every year!”