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by wegwerfbenutzer 3159 days ago
As an german: No, Germany wasn't created 2.000 years ago. That kind of history telling was made by Hitler. Modern historians say Germany was created in 1871.
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As a fellow German, at the very least you'll need to account for the Treaty of Verdun. (No, not that one. The other one :)

From there, Louis the German received East Francia, which in many ways formed the core of what would later be Germany. From there, we certainly took a long and winding road. (The reformation settlement is probably another point worth touching upon, though)

1871 is merely the point where there was an actual administratively unified nation state called Germany. It's the first time we did that, so in that sense, sure.

(Sorry. I nerd out on history. Really, it's a distraction to your main point - the whole legend of Arminius thing is a German nationalist myth. Tied to 1871 - each nation state needs a founding myth)

You're half-right: this battle was used as nationalist propaganda. However, while I'm sure the Nazis took it to new extremes, that usage predates them by almost a century.

Remember that the nation state an accidental invention of the industrial revolution after all; pro-nation state propaganda was happening all over Europe at the time, and a lot of it is quite offensive to our modern eyes.

I find it kind of frustrating that Nazis are mainly depicted as this evil that came into existence in a vacuum, or in the best case solely as a reaction to the situation in Germany after WWI. The seeds of fascism and xenophobia had been shown all over Europe long before that. I suspect Germany just got there first.