[StevePerkins]

I don't even know what to say about items #1 and #2 here. Unless you work for JetBrains, is Swing relevant to anything? And virus scanners shouldn't be an issue unless you're running on a Windows server, in which case I question whether you know what you're doing.

If you really believe that JPA means "you don't have to understand SQL", then you definitely don't know what you're doing.

As for Spring, I get so tired of reading lengthy critiques that boil down to:

1. "It uses XML! (or at least it did 10 years ago, when my personal experience with it was last up-to-date)"

2. "It has some classes with long names! Named after design patterns that I don't like!"

By all means, don't use Spring if you don't want to. But know that Spring is very modular, letting you include or exclude whatever you like, and the core is rather light. If you're not using at least some of it, then you're probably re-writing it... and doing a worse job than they did. Either way, stop ranting about it on web forums if your knowledge is from 2007.

[timthelion]

> And virus scanners shouldn't be an issue unless you're running on a Windows server, in which case I question whether you know what you're doing.

Is "the server" the only place where code is run today? That is a sad image for privacy and user sovereignty. I certainly still run a lot of code on my local system, and I wish more people did the same.

[mohaine]

I (sadly) have production experience from within the last year. I don't use Spring by choice, but it still gets forced on me by coworkers and teammates, so I reserve the right to complain.

I've heard the "you're probably re-writing it... and doing a worse job than they did" argument so many times, is this on the spring forums or something?