[conanbatt]

As this conversation goes, its nature, it lacks any concept of morality. Why is a rock a rock is not a moral question, and it doesn't merit one in my opinion.

I think you have to reveal what is the moral question you have about preventing that natural result, and I can try to answer why such a thing doesn't bother me at all.

[js8]

The OP asked: "Many people think that a supervisor or a manager should make more money than the person reporting to them. I ask why"

You responded: "In general the supervisor or manager provides more value than an employee under his command."

I asked: "why do you think this is the case"

And I got the pretty much textbook economics reply. But I am not asking about what economists think, I wonder about what you think. Why do you, personally, think the work of the manager is more valuable? So I was wondering how you understand the value.

Based on your response, you seem to value scarcity of either positions or suitable candidates. So do you think the president should have the highest salary? There is only one. I am also not convinced that scarcity itself is "providing value".

[conanbatt]

I think the one that pays the manager believes its more valuable, and that if the value wasn't there, the ones that doesn't pay managers will make a killing and soon infect the rest with that idea.

In general I see people getting what people are willing to give them, even when its an 'unfair' situation (i.e. the son of the business man getting preferred treament).

The opposite, people getting what they have by taking it from people unwillingly, which I find aberrant, is seldom what happens in this scenario, and more what happens with proposed solutions around income inequality.

[mcny]

> I think the one that pays the manager believes its more valuable, and that if the value wasn't there, the ones that doesn't pay managers will make a killing and soon infect the rest with that idea.

> In general I see people getting what people are willing to give them, even when its an 'unfair' situation (i.e. the son of the business man getting preferred treament).

> The opposite, people getting what they have by taking it from people unwillingly, which I find aberrant, is seldom what happens in this scenario, and more what happens with proposed solutions around income inequality.

Are you talking about taxes or ransom? I am all for progressive tax rates and as a poor person I do not support tax cuts for the wealthy (just wanted to clarify that). That being said, we need to fight income inequality just like we need to fight against "nature" in every other scenario. Someone talked about "information asymmetry" a while back. I think all companies should be required to make compensation (salary, bonus etc) information public for all employees and contractors. I don't see how we can get rid of income inequality as long as there is something "they" know that "we" don't.

[conanbatt]

> Are you talking about taxes or ransom?

Some people would ask what is the difference. Im not quite there, but sympathetic to the idea.

> I am all for progressive tax rates and as a poor person I do not support tax cuts for the wealthy (just wanted to clarify that)

This is a technically problematic issue that i think the public does not quite understand.

There is a concept called the statuatory incidence of taxes and the economic incidence of taxes. The first one is who signs the check to the government, the second one is who ends up paying for it. So if for example someone said that "now employers will pay 100% of the social security tax)", it might look to the untrained eye, that taxes are lowered on employees. But actually, it will reduce wages just as much, and in the end, the employee is still paying for it.

Progressive taxation has this debate in economics: the excess wealth of the rich always get invested, which increase competition for labor, which rises wages. (very classical economics). At the same time, when the government seizes that money, a huge chunk is eaten out by the machinery. For example, some goes to the military, some goes to the government machination, some goes to the collector.

Add to that, that now the wealthy will spend money to avoid the tax, which reduces the amount you will tax in comparison to what would have been spent or invested.

I'm not sure if it technically holds true, and this is a debate amongst economists, but the thinking that taxing the rich will help the poor is not as simple at its stated, and I strongly opposed the mentality of "that guy has to much, lets shoot him".

> I think all companies should be required to make compensation (salary, bonus etc) information public for all employees and contractors

I think its even easier for the IRS to do it, since they already collect that data, and it will also inform on the effective tax rates people are paying, leading to a more informed society. I am all up for public salaries, after all ,mine was already forcefully disclosed in the US as an immigrant, lets get the rest in.