[whytaka]

That's funny. The proponents of UBI would say that it in fact is the key to maximizing productive social behaviour.

Of course, it's a matter of worldviews. You might think innate human behaviour is laziness and only forceful contracts can get productivity out of them. I can certainly see evidence of that, but I don't think it's innate for everyone. I think many people would be eager for a sense of belonging and purpose that could only come from contributing to society.

Think about all the people that help out in times of crisis without 'reward'. That's also innate. Whether it's the majority, I think that's a matter of culture.

If you define the primary relationship people have to each other in society with forceful contracts, then yes, you might engender also a subculture of rebellion and banditry that results in laziness and exploitation. What if we defined it differently?

[truxus]

Having lived around people all my life, I will tell you that if you give someone something free, it is rare that they give more of themselves to their community.

I will not remind you that utopian experiments are not new.

[whytaka]

Your experience isn’t a reliable setting to make the call about human nature because a different setting may produce different outcomes.

UBI isn’t utopian. No one lives large for free. People simply get the basic support.