[raverbashing]

Mobile first messaging system that worked even in feature phones

[icebraining]

Windows Live Messenger, just as a random example, had apps for J2ME, Windows Mobile, BlackBerry and later iOS, besides the desktop.

Is "mobile first" an euphemism for "doesn't have a native desktop client"?

[peoplewindow]

No. In this case "mobile first" meant that their user identity was a phone number, not a username or email address.

[icebraining]

Thanks. I think that's in fact an innovation. Were they the first?

[peoplewindow]

I believe so. The first I remember anyway.

[seppin]

Are you asking why Whatsapp is better than Windows Live Messenger?

[icebraining]

No, I'm asking why it's more innovative than Windows Live Messenger.

This debasement of the concept of innovation is exactly what I'm railing against.

I think Whatsapp is a good app, and their business is obviously successful. I just don't see the innovations. And I think it's important to preserve the word for those who merit it, even if they don't have the interest or skill to build a successful business.