[mrow84]

> Norwegian and USA societies are vastly different. There is absolutely no reason that something that works in one country will work in the other.

Can you elaborate on which social differences you think might make it difficult or impossible to implement a Norwegian-style justice system in the USA?

[tyfon]

You need the whole social structure that goes with it, not just the prison system.

It includes the social security net, health care system, education, low corruption etc.

The corruption part is actually quite important. Even if you do not call lobbyism corruption it has the same effect and people can see that decisions are not made "for the people", but for the money. This drastically lowers institutional trust and will affect all of society.

[mrow84]

None of those things ("social security net, health care system, education, low corruption etc.") are necessary conditions for the USA though, and if Americans were willing to consider rational arguments for prison reform then they might also be willing to consider rational arguments for reforms in those other areas. It's not obvious to me that those things represent vast social differences, per-se, but that is obviously a matter of interpretation - I was really interested in hearing HalfwayToDice's view on what that phrase meant.

To respond (with a question) to your point, do you think that any of those areas can be successfully reformed individually, eventually making it possible for the USA to reform its prison system, or do you think they are all so interdependent that none can be changed without changing the other?