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by tptacek 3184 days ago
No. For similar reasons, salted SHA-2 is also not materially better than MD5. You think this is about the strength of the underlying cryptographic hash, but that has in fact very little bearing on the strength of the password hash construction.
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Clearly there is some critical piece of knowledge that I'm lacking, so please help me understand where my misunderstanding lies.

The article announcing the breach contains the term "SHA1" in exactly two places: "passwords (hashed using SHA1 with a salt;" and "password hashing algorithm from SHA1 to bcrypt".

Absent evidence to the contrary (of which the article provides no such evidence), I am reading "hashed using SHA1 with a salt" to mean they used this construction:

    Hp = H(S||P) or
    Hp = H(P||S)
    where:
    S is a salt (derivation method unstated)
    P is the plaintext password
    || is byte concatenation
    H( ) is a hash function (sha1 in this specific case)
         applied only once to the input bytes
    Hp is the "hashed salted password"
How does the strength of the construction H(S||P) (or H(P||S)) not have a direct bearing on the strength of the chosen hash? It is nothing but the chosen hash. What am I misunderstanding here?
Forget about the strength of the underlying hash. That's not how you recover passwords from hashed password databases. In reality, the way you recover passwords is to take a dictionary starting at AARDVARK and work your way to ZEBRA and every alphanumeric string in between, hashing each one and comparing it to the target password. Because MD5, SHA1, SHA2, Blake, Blake2, and SHA3 are all designed to be as fast as possible, this attack is extremely effective, and can be accelerated dramatically with GPUs.

The "password hashes" PBKDF2, bcrypt, scrypt, and Argon2 are all designed, the same way a KDF is designed, to mitigate this attack. All of them have a "work factor" that requires you to iterate the underlying hashing primitive (which might very well be SHA2) many times before arriving at the answer.

SHA1 and SHA2 aren't password hashes. That's what people here keep trying to explain. None of the well-understood flaws in MD5 and SHA1 are really relevant to the password hash setting. They're a disaster for cryptographic signature constructions, but they do not matter at all for passwords.