[frgtpsswrdlame]

Time for today's most incendiary post. (;

I think feelings on this are going to depend on whether you consider a silicon valley job as more "outcome" or "opportunity." I'd say making sure that black/latino people can obtain these jobs is just as important as making sure they have equal opportunity to attend a good college or good highschool. That puts me in a bit of a predicament though because I come to the conclusion that what's in the best interests of society requires these companies to go against what's in their best interests and pass up more qualified whites/asians. Thoughts?

[ajeet_dhaliwal]

But... the article says Asians are the most likely to be hired and least likely to be promoted so then are they more qualified or not?

You know I think this is actually a good thing. I’ve been working as a dev for 12 years but after interviewing with tech companies more recently I’m done. I’m doing my own thing. The ‘technical interviews’ made sure of that, I presumably suck at them but I can’t be sure because no constructive feedback. Start your own thing, it will be more rewarding, I’ve learned more in 9 years of side projects than I ever did at the job and recently it’s really paying off. Oh yeah, there is no engineer shortage and there never has been, pay people decent and don’t be raise the bar to the point it’s in the clouds and you’ll see there are earnest, keen hardworking people eager and ready. Oh and I don’t know, may be invest in people a little instead too, people are life long learners, they have potential.

[HillaryBriss]

> The ‘technical interviews’ made sure of that, I presumably suck at them but I can’t be sure because no constructive feedback ...

such a good point. i've heard that companies have rules expressly forbidding offering constructive feedback to candidates, because liability (or something). but it's a wasteful/destructive system. many companies seem to think working for them is the summation of earthly existence. but they still have churn.

it reminds me of the fact that the two WhatsApp founders had applied to Facebook but were rejected. https://medium.com/the-story-of-grip/5-things-every-founder-...

i wish you extreme success in your independent venture.

[minikites]

>pass up more qualified whites/asians

That's a pretty common line of attack against this sort of thing but I don't think it holds water. There are plenty of "unqualified" white people who get jobs just by knowing the right person. In many industries (less so in tech because there's a shortage overall) there are plenty of qualified applicants of all races, it just takes some work on a few levels (overcoming your own biases, going out of your way to recruit, etc)

[Consultant32452]

I don't believe that there are plenty of qualified applicants of all races. I've been in a position to review resumes and perform interviews for over a decade and I don't recall having ever seen a black developer candidate, much less a "qualified" one. The closest I've gotten is I worked alongside a black sysadmin once. My city is nearly 30% black. My city is also about 25% Hispanic. I've worked with a hand full or so of Hispanic devs, I'd guess somewhere in the range of 3-5% of my coworkers have been Hispanic.