[rabbyte]

So your position is:

"I don't experience this so it probably doesn't happen often but others should stop talking about it because I'm tired how often this comes up."

I'm curious what aspect of your contribution you think contributes to anything.

[staticelf]

No my position is a tad more complicated than that.

My position is that of course people should voice concern over actual discrimination based on gender. But this rant on social interactions in which there is no evidence presented and just big claims that this happens a lot is simply what is is, big claims.

I claim that this don't happen as often as some people suggests, a claim that is just as valid as the authors. My position is that this hurts women in tech and diversity as a whole.

Baseless arguments like the authors contributes to the toxic environment we have today where everything you do is wrong. Just take that conference Github was supposed to have. They picked all candidates from without knowing gender or anything about the authors (blind review) [1] and when it was discovered every presenter picked was a male, the conference was cancelled because meritocracy is appearantly not ok if only men were selected even if their talks were deemed superior [2].

This is just one demonstration about the extreme views that is hurting equality. Another is Brit Ruby 2013 which was cancelled for the same reasons basically: https://gist.github.com/seanhandley/4106776

And it is just the absolute top of the mountain, there are so many stupid things going on in the name of equality and diversity it's unbelievable.

If we are not supposed to care about genders, why do we care if there is more women in tech at all?

[1] https://cfp.githubapp.com/events/electronconf-2017 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14480868

[rabbyte]

your position is the same as I stated but you have rationale behind it. I get that. the issue I have is still the same though, you're projecting your experience onto others and expecting an argument where none is being made.

as a woman in cryptocurrency, this isn't a valuable resource because it proves our work environment sucks. it's speaking to others like me who already know our work environment sucks and signals to each other so we can at least create spaces where not everything is terrible. don't think there's a problem? cool. it's not a universal experience, just common which is why you hear about it all the time. we're not looking for your help except to do your part or get out of the way.

I'm honestly taken back every time I read opinions like yours since you don't experience this, think these are claims that need evidence, and want to shut down debate over something that doesn't impact you. I can only assume you're somehow threatened but I struggle to see how. men feeling threatened by women talking about their spaces is very strange but maybe that's because you think we're saying something about you when we complain about how we're treated.

[staticelf]

> your position is the same as I stated but you have rationale behind it. I get that.

But it is not. Which I just explained why. The difference is that the things I complain about is specific examples with data to back it up. The author and other people similar just throw out random shit that is as provable as a religious experience.

> it's speaking to others like me who already know our work environment sucks

Great attitude there buddy.

> think these are claims that need evidence

I provided evidence for the examples I brought up, the rest is just as the authors anecdotal with no evidence. This is my whole point.

> I can only assume you're somehow threatened but I struggle to see how. men feeling threatened by women talking about their spaces is very strange

Why do people always resort to this jargon? I am not "threatened" I just do not like discrimination based on gender and I believe that is happening more towards men than women in tech today. It is happening in the name of diversity and equality.

[rabbyte]

> I just do not like discrimination based on gender

if you feel that way then maybe don't drop into a conversation women started to tell them their likely misinterpreting situations and need to provide better evidence before you'll take their claims seriously. maybe don't go point-by-point refuting their experiences as conjecture then center discrimination concerns against men. maybe don't engage others who, like you, don't like discrimination based on gender with the opening line:

> People today get upset about fucking everything.

[anon12345690]

The converse of that is exactly what these blog posts are - constant wide-ranging criticisms based on a few anecdotes, usually wrangled together from others who write similar blog posts.