[goliatone]

It could be argued that this platonic view is not very factual. If you look at how corruption is dealt with and the reticence to apply the same constitutional laws you can get a sense of how things work. There were numerous members of the royal house we could talk about, or politicians...

[euyyn]

I mean, yeah. And a while ago a president pardoned a guy from the other party that had been sentenced to 10 years in prison for kidnapping.

I think there's still a stretch from "there are corrupt politicians and the monarchy and president have a lot of undue influence over the judiciary" to "Catalans don't have freedom of expressions or are oppressed".

[elecbit]

"Catalans don't have freedom of expressions or are oppressed" -> Catalans don't have the right to express themselves about independence? Is this taboo?

[euyyn]

Independentist Catalans have been freely expressing themselves nonstop for many years, and will continue to enjoy that freedom like everybody else.