[donohoe]

Gonna have to disagree.

I want them off. That has always been my intent and those I’ve informally asked.

[snowwrestler]

I'm with you; I mean "really turn this all the way off" when I turn off WiFi or Bluetooth.

But if you read between the lines, I think what happened here is that Apple did some analysis of their support database and figured out that a huge number of support issues came down to WiFi or Bluetooth being turned off. Like, if someone doesn't really understand how AirDrop works (probably most iPhone users, honestly) and they try to use it with WiFi turned off. Or if they turn off Bluetooth because they heard it was a security issue, then their phone doesn't connect to their car the way it should.

The reality is that most iPhone users don't really understand all this stuff, and so don't fully appreciate the tradeoffs of having WiFi and Bluetooth turned off.

It's a bit more inconvenient, but at least we can still use Settings to really actually turn them off.

[willstrafach]

Use the switch in Settings to turn it off. That still works.

The change referenced is the shortcut found in Control Center, which keeps Wi-Fi on but won't connect to new networks.

[Spooky23]

Do you have an Apple Watch?

[stevehawk]

I don't.. why does that matter? Do the watch and phone not communicate over Bluetooth?

[Spooky23]

It uses both to improve reliability.

Additionally, increasingly important services like Airdrop and HomeKit use it.