[Sideloader]

Firefox has been my daily driver for 2-3 years now. I’d switched to Chrome several years before that but when FF fixed its lag issues I went back right away.

Mozilla overplay the “not for profit” card but with Google you can be sure they are collecting and archiving absolutely everything that passes through their servers.

[tajen]

Firefox is fast but I'm using several profiles (one for programming websites, one for sysadmin accounts, one for personal, one for politics) and running ~3 instances is sluggish. Chrome has built-in profile management so it's just as fast with 1 or 3 instances. I don't believe it's such an unusual usecase, even my parents ask me all the time how to protect their privacy. A good idea that Ted Cruz might have missed.

[xythian]

This is the major roadblock for me to leave Chrome. The Firefox containers are close, but don't quite hit the mark in the same way as Chrome's profiles.

[skinnymuch]

Yeah I'd really like built in profile support. Tab containers aren't the same thing for me. Neither is the round about way of using profiles currently in Firefox.

[MikusR]

Firefox has tab containers.

[vim_wannabe]

Now that I've used tab containers quite a bit they do require much more cognitive work than profiles. Having to always be aware of which tab container you are on rather than which browser window profile.

Maybe that's just me though.

[tajen]

I understand Firefox certainly made a safe implementation, but the risk of making a mistake is too high.

[mda]

Everything that pass through their servers? This Bs is thrown around so much, no one cares if it is true or not anymore.

[teleproto]

Assuming that one switches to Google as the default search engine (I'd love to know how many do - additionally I beleive Google is the default outside the US anyway), there's effectively no difference. Neither browser does anything special wrt privacy, the same resources and scripts are loaded in both. Safari are the only browser brave enough to try anythng more exciting in this area. (OK, Brave are also in this area, but they're not of much significance right now.)

Sure, Firefox's private browsing does offer tracking protection. But most "normal" users don't seem to use that. And some would argue there's little value in blocking tracking in a session that will be wiped anyway.

[eridius]

One can assume Google is tracking a ton of data beyond just what Google searches users do.

Firefox users who pick Google as the search engine are still giving a lot of info to Google, but less info than Google would have had if the user was using Chrome.

[teleproto]

Citation needed.

Google Analytcs and ads are so widely that most of your browsing will be tracked regardless of browser, even regardless of your search engine (but the search engine is also quite major since they can track what you were trying to search for before jumping into the web).

But there's also a privacy policy explaining what chrome actually sends: https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/privacy/

[freehunter]

>Citation needed.

A company known for tracking the ever-loving shit out of everyone across the Internet distributes a best-in-class web browser absolutely for free. If that's not enough, I really hope you're able to hold on to that innocence as you start using the Internet more and more in the future.

[JamesFM]

Sorry to go off on you because this is a larger issue then your comment but seriously, can we hold this discussion to a higher standard?

Prove to me that Google is tracking me through Chrome. Link me to an article with proof of collection.

Most of us our developers here, surely we can apply some more rigor to this conversation then “we know Google is doing this because it’s Google”.

[asadotzler]

If you sign in to Chrome, your history is game for ad matching according to Google https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/165139

[ryanpollock]

just sign into Chrome, and visit myactivity.google.com

you'll see your browsing history, which unless you have a preference turned off deep within settings, Google may then use to target advertising.

[fasdf33]

Their point is that Chrome isn't sending all the data and their privacy policy for CHROME points this out.

This isn't difficult to test: sandbox default chrome in a VM and see what happens.

But they don't need to because of your point. uMatrix makes it plenty clear all your bits are belong to Google.

[jorvi]

I hope he doesn't. The biggest problem for privacy is the completely ingorant knowledge/attitude the vast amount of people has towards it.

[yuhong]

It is worth mentioning Chromium is open source too.

[Sylos]

And known to contain questionable things.

https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

[yuhong]

The point is how it compares to Firefox though.

[kenhwang]

You can also turn off search suggestions for the address bar so it only sends things to Google when you search.

It's still giving search information to Google, but that's much more preferable to sending literally everything you type in the box.

[KGIII]

Privacy is a tricky thing and a bit of a spectrum.

I will happily give up some information in exchange for a service that I like. I'll happily give Google my search history, including typos in the search bar, in exchange for them tailoring my responses.

Why? The difference in results is huge. I don't need to specific that I'm looking for Linux answers, math functions, or scientific results. Google knows this, it has learned it from the many years of data that I have given them. Searching anonymously makes my search much less productive and less efficient.

At the same time, I don't want Google watching me poop. I'm okay with then knowing some things, but not others. I've been pretty open with Google, knowingly so, just to get these tailored responses and, to me, they are worth it.

There's still lots of things I don't tell Google. There are still lots of companies that don't give me anything I value, so I don't willingly give them information. It's a sliding scale and needs recipricocity from the business entity, I expect a return from my giving up information.

It's also a very individual choice and best decided at the individual level. I give Google info, but I'd never say someone else should have to. I think it possible to optimize for just that.

[notzorbo3]

> that I'm looking for Linux answers, math functions, or scientific results. Google knows this, it has learned it

FYI, I've been using an anonymized front-end (startpage.com) to Google for the last year and I'm not noticing any degradation in the quality of the search results. Startpage doesn't even set a cookie, so I doubt it is tracking me and learning what interests me.

[KGIII]

I have tested, numerous times and over a period of years, and I get very different results when I'm logged in and when I'm not logged in. I have the option enabled to track me and personalize my results. I have checked the differences with use of alternative browsers and devices, while using a VPN and not, and even just using alternative profiles.

I also have a media box (well, a series of them over the years) that uses an entirely separate profile. That profile does a lot of YouTube and music. It had learned that I prefer documentaries - though not much more than that. It has also seemed to learn that I prefer isolated guitar tracks and classical guitar. It will now preferentially offer me the isolated guitar track in the top few links, even without including it in my search query. It used to offer different versions, covers, and live versions of the track. I can't get it to offer the isolated track as the primary result, at least not at this time.

I've been monitoring this for quite a while and have watched the improvements. I've even set up the second account, the one mentioned for media, just because I'd observed the effect.

To see the effect, you need to be logged in AND tell them to personalize your results. I'm not sure if that is enabled by default.

I admit this is just anecdotal, but I've made it a point to monitor this since about 2010, which is when I first noticed the option in the settings. I've checked it against being logged out, with different IP addresses, with alternative browsers, and on computers that do not belong to me. The results are remarkably different, though they are pretty generic after the first 20 listed results.

So, in this case, I've given information (privacy) in exchange for results that are more suitable for my personal needs.

I do wish I could select profiles. I'd like to be able to search with my 'generic' profile, my 'tech' profile, my 'music' profile, and my 'entertainment' profile. I think it'd give me more precision and would help me weed out my more generic searches.

Unless you have it blocked, Google also uses a tracking URL on their results. It will say, even if you mouse over it, example.com. But, when you click on it, it actually uses a URL like google.com/tracking/some numbers/example.com. So, they know what links you clicked. I suspect they also log which one you clicked last, so they have an indicator as to which result you found the most helpful.

I should note that links open in a new tab automatically, so they can also track browser session and see when I've completed my searching and can infer more from that information.

I used to also have a developer profile but I haven't really done any development for a few years. That was pretty refined and seemed to learn the languages that I was most interested in.

In each case, the profiles were made by using different email addresses. I have a different email address for the different accounts. I try to avoid cross-pollination between them but I haven't been as good with that as I'd like to have been. I can only speculate that the results would be even more precise if I had done so. As I mentioned above, I did use a third email account but I've not logged into that one in quite a while. It seemed to pick up that I was into PHP, JavaScript, HTML, and was using Wordpress or SMF. I don't know how effective it would be with other languages.

Your mileage might vary, but that sums up my observations and experiences. In my case, I made a clear choice to give up some privacy in exchange for something I value - namely more efficient search results that are more effective and personal.

Again, all an anecdote but I have made it a point to test the results against non-personalized results and the difference is very noticeable and very good. I am much, much happier with the personalized results.

I slam on Google, a lot. I complain about Google - to the point where people may think I hate them and am obsessed with telling people. However, I do try to always make it clear that I'm okay with them asking for my information and that they do have some products and services that I think are done exceptionally well.