[JBReefer]

By the same token, they're also not the home of a bunch of friendly companies that will implement the work, unlike China, and they don't have a long history of trying to stop the flow of information, unlike China, and they don't have a effectively infinite budget, unlike China.

I'm betting against Spain on this one. Go Catalonia!

[rocqua]

There is a huge gap between having a referendum on independence and actually being independent.