[leopoldo]

You know what? I got your answer, I have this beautiful 0-mile device without all those gadgets and crap. No keyless entry, no GPS, no radio, no (power)windows, no thermostat, minor software and computers (just to control the engine and emmissions). If you want add-ons you add them yourself:

- GPS -> mount your smartphone

- Thermostat -> more/less clothes

- Radio -> get a bluetooth headset for your helmet

- The list can go on and on...

You just described my motorcycle! Beautiful 0-miles engine (took it out of the dealership this week). It has no unnecessary stuff and that's what I love the most about it. I do pretty much all the maintenance myself and the community of motorcycle riders is very supportive and helpful to do so.

Now... Why isn't there a car company that builds cars on the same level of complexity? I know comfort/luxury sells. But there should be a tier of cars that are easily serviceable.

Meanwhile, I highly recommend you get a motorcycle :)

[wcarron]

I also ride a motorcycle. Just got a new sportster and love it. I'll agree that it is wonderful not ever having to adjust a damn radio, roll windows up or worry about broken AC. It's great for all the reasons you described.

I also agree with your point that there __should__ be a market for a no-frills car of the same design philosophy.

However, I would NEVER recommend that someone get a motorcycle. You and I both know the risks. Literally every time we roll out we can be killed or maimed brutally. I think it's actually pretty irresponsible to recommend them to other people.

> Per vehicle mile traveled, motorcyclists' risk of a fatal crash is 35 times greater than a passenger car. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety#Accident_Rat... (the official sources are cited in the article)

Now, I could totally be missing the humor in this, in which case, ignore me.

[userbinator]

I think it's actually pretty irresponsible to recommend them to other people.

I disagree. It's the old freedom vs. security/safety argument. I have no qualms about recommending motorcycles or even just older and simpler cars, because safety is not the only factor and a lot of the time it's used as an argument to take away freedom. You can be perfectly safe by spending your entire life locked away in a jail cell... and you'll still die.

[wcarron]

It's not that I think people should not ride motorcycles. It's that WE are aware of the heightened level of danger, extra things to watch for, etc. Most people are not and recommending motorcycles casually to people who may not grasp the risks is setting them up to get fucked, pardon the language.

I do think an amendment to my original statement is needed, though: I would NEVER recommend them to other people without firmly impressing upon them the value of safety courses and the risks involved.

[4ad]

Thank goodness they didn't manage to compromise motorcycles yet!