[patrickk]

Since you asked (and even though I'll probably be downvoted for this but)...I virtualised OS X on vanilla PC hardware to save money (I'm a recent college grad), as OS X seems to be the OS of choice for Rails development. I'd rather do this and have more money saved up for living expenses when I do launch a product. Is this right? That's a matter of opinion. It's definitely a grey area. If I fail, Apple didn't lose a sale since I can't really afford a shiny new MacBook. If I succeed, everyone in the company will use Macs and therefore Apple, and I, win.

And YES I could just use Linux, before you ask, but I'm getting quite used to TextMate.

That's not to justify anything....but since you asked...

EDIT (can't reply to comment below directly): Yes, that's true. However you would still be in violation of Apple's EULA which states that you cannot run their OS on anything other than Apple hardware. So you are still being naughty by doing this ;-)

[rick888]

"And YES I could just use Linux, before you ask, but I'm getting quite used to TextMate."

So because you can't be bothered with using something that's free, you are going to disrespect apple's license. There are plenty of free text editors for Windows and Linux that supports most of not all of textmate's features.

Many companies decide to use GNU code in their apps. They don't get the same luxury as you. Many are sued in court and others are forced to release their own code.

[patrickk]

"So because you can't be bothered with using something that's free...."

You are making presumptions again here. I've tried Linux, I prefer OS X is all. As I've said already, OS X seems to be the best environment for Rails development. If I sell my startup for millions, Apple wins big through additional sales.

I'm going to bow gracefully out of this thread now, as I've said my piece. I'll leave you with a few words of wisdom from a guy a little bit richer and more successful than either of us:

"Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though," Gates told an audience at the University of Washington. "And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade." - Bill Gates

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr/09/business/fi-micropir...

[rick888]

"You are making presumptions again here. I've tried Linux, I prefer OS X is all. As I've said already, OS X seems to be the best environment for Rails development. If I sell my startup for millions, Apple wins big through additional sales."

How will they get additional sales if you "sell your startup for millions"?

"I'm going to bow gracefully out of this thread now, as I've said my piece. I'll leave you with a few words of wisdom from a guy a little bit richer and more successful than either of us:"

Are you from China? If not, you don't really have a point beyond that you like to use commercial software, not pay for it, and make excuses that one day when you make it big (which statistically speaking won't happen), you will decide to pay for them.

I wish I could use the same excuses about my credit card bills and business loans.

[nuxi]

...or you could buy OS X 10.6 for $29 if you really need it.

[DavidPP]

29$ is an upgrade license only.

[nuxi]

Yes, but it works as a standalone installation, you don't need to have 10.5 installed.

[mcosta]

How is better to spend 29$ to break a license? Because I suposse the upgrade license needs a "base" license.

[nuxi]

No, it doesn't physically need a base license. Buy the DVD, install the OS and that's that. To clarify what I implied: if he really likes OS X so much, he can at least pay a small amount of money to keep using it with a somewhat clearer conscience. That's what I'd do at least.

[borisk]

$29 for tehnical support can be a good deal.