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by matthewmacleod 3197 days ago
There was no sign of an exodus. That’s ludicrously hyperbolic.
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An HN thread with a dozen responses? Hardly an exodus.
A quarter of all websites? An exodus.
Those websites weren't leaving, they never arrived..
They were close to arriving but they backtracked, all 25% of them. I'd call that an exodus before you even arrive.
If that's the definition then let me tell you about my exoduses from almost every country on the planet...
...of sites that posted on HN.

Projects that I work(ed) on that use React have no plans to switch away and aren't represented in that 25%.

You can't die if you were never alive to begin with
Does the decision to use React or not affect end users? Each WordPress site is not making an independent determination.
CNCF had begun the process of moving two internal projects (that will be open sourced when they hit beta) from React to Vue.js. We'll now re-evaluate.

FWIW, why we prefer Apache 2.0: https://www.cncf.io/blog/2017/02/01/cncf-recommends-aslv2/

You must have missed a lot of news. A personal example: in my company we were comparing React vs Vue internally and the hint of licensing issues committed us to Vue.

This Facebook post gives us hope for GraphQL moving away from BSD+, as it is currently in our stack, but without doubt we are considering a move away due to uncertainty.

The same thing happened at my company (Fortune 150 company). We settled on Vue too, and it has been amazing. But if this had happened back when we were considering things we probably would have gone with React.
Same here, this conversation is happening right now since we've built a pretty large application using React. I would much prefer to use React so this couldn't be better timing.
>In the wake of uncertainty about our license, we know that many teams went through the process of selecting an alternative library to React.

Evidently FB saw enough people leaving to prompt this change. No doubt they were also afraid of an exodus of their internal developers on these projects. High-profile developers will move on to companies where they know they'll have greater impact if that's seen to be at risk.

That's a strange claim given how many major projects have appeared on the front page of HN because of it, everything from the Apache foundation to Wordpress.
> everything from the Apache foundation to Wordpress.

Those were the only two.

WordPress accounts for something like 19% of all websites, more so than any other single platform. Do not underestimate the importance of their decision.
A bit higher, according to those who monitor these sorts of things.

Some 28.7% of sites use Wordpress.* Curiously, I've seen the 19% number being cited as 19% of all new websites use Wordpress. I'm not sure how 19% becomes 28.7%, but it may just be that sites using WP stick around longer.

* https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cm-wordpress/all/al...

Only 2 that you know of. I work for a Fortune 150 company and we settled on Vue almost solely due to the licensing issue.
I too work for a Fortune 150 company and we've gone all in on React.
I'm told that one reason companies might have chosen to avoid React was that they could have imagined themselves be in competition with Facebook at some point, and thereby in the danger zone with their old BSD licence.
They explicitly said in their FAQ that you could use React even in direct competition. None of this matters now, of course, because it's been relicensed. The only impact the patents license ever had on anyone was iff they initiated a patent lawsuit against Facebook.
Yeah, obviously not all lawyers see eye to eye.
Drupal was also close to picking a new library to replace or supplement Backbone, and React was just dropped out of the running (with a strong favor for Vue) a week or two ago.
We get it, React would have been fine with out them.

But it did matter.

It set a strong precedent.

Huh? Where have you been for the last month or two?