[SolarUpNote]

> Apple has traditionally been very user hostile

Here's an interview with Steve Jobs on privacy regarding location data:

https://youtu.be/39iKLwlUqBo?t=23s

Apple takes care of their users.

[zeveb]

A rancher takes care of his cattle too — but they're not free to leave, and eventually he's going to slaughter them.

With Android, I can choose to load my own OS. With iOS, I cannot.

[TremendousJudge]

the fact that they care about privacy doesn't mean that they aren't user hostile

[lolsal]

'user hostile' is too ambiguous to be useful.

I would argue that some of the perceived 'hostility' is a Necessary Evil® for improved UX elsewhere - specifically implementing DRM paved the way for Apple users to be able to "just buy/lease/get/download" lots of media (or actually licenses to media) very easily. I'm an Apple FanBoi though, so I am heavily biased because I really like their ecosystem.

Specifically about user privacy, Apple has a track record of being a decent advocate for user privacy. More publicly than I have been, that's for sure!