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by spodek 3197 days ago
> in school, Jordanian girls are crushing their male peers

When males outperform females, everyone concludes the system is biased and we should remove the bias.

When females outperform males, they say things like "This is baffling on the most obvious levels."

Maybe the educational system is biased, favoring how girls learn and behave. Is it hard for people to imagine that systems can benefit girls at the expense of boys, or can they only see the opposite?

If there are biases favoring how girls learn, then they are disadvantaging boys and might consider removing the bias.

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I think the difference here is that the sorts of things that article mentions that are thought to favor boys in other countries (role models, more men than women on boards etc.) are also evident in Jordan, but the girls are still doing better.

Another way of looking at it might be ‘why are Jordan’s girls able to do so well where girls in similar situations in other countries do not’.

The article points out that there are effectively two school systems - it's entirely gender-segregated - and the boy's system is disadvantaging them.
> When males outperform females, everyone concludes the system is biased and we should remove the bias.

> When females outperform males, they say things like "This is baffling on the most obvious levels."

You point out hypocrisy, but follow it up with an equal but opposite?

> Maybe the educational system is biased, favoring how girls learn and behave. Is it hard for people to imagine that systems can benefit girls at the expense of boys, or can they only see the opposite?

> If there are biases favoring how girls learn, then they are disadvantaging boys and might consider removing the bias.

Are you saying that these schools unfairly favors girls, but not so when it's the other way around?

Can it not be that this instead proves that systems can be and are biased, in both directions?

>Can it not be that this instead proves that systems can be and are biased, in both directions?

I believe that's the point GP was making. Where does it imply otherwise?

That's how I read this:

> When males outperform females, everyone concludes the system is biased and we should remove the bias.

It's phrased (in company with the other lines) in a way that suggests such a conclusion is somehow ridiculous.

If that is not what he/she meant I apologize.

> Can it not be that this instead proves that systems can be and are biased, in both directions?

Thinking this proves one thing or another is likely incorrect.

There was a time not that long ago when most people would think these findings suggest:

a) There can be noticeable differences across cultures b) There can be noticeable differences across genders

Of course, any modern enlightened non-racist non-misogynst westerner would know both of these beliefs are obviously false.