[kodfodrasz]

Also, if it was xenophobic. So what? Doesn't a businessman have the right to choose who to do business with?

I believe free trade is a good thing, but seems like many americans mistook free trade for gunboat diplomacy (see opening of Japan). In my understanding free trade is free as in free will: both parties voluntarily take part in the exchange of goods and services.

Also one can be patriotic in a way that he/she (no xe!) wants to preserve the cultural heritage, which is not only buildings and artifacts in museums, but also customs. Customs can be preserved by people sustaining them by continuously acting according to them. Local customs can be ruined pretty quickly via a huge influx of tourists.

Example: In my younger day I could see elderly people sitting in the small parks around playgrounds and children playing at some parts of the city. Now in these parts of the city what I can see is playgrounds have been closed. Public places have been closed, no elderly talking, playing chess on a summer afternoon. Instead there are "party tourists" littering, being loud and drunk an sometimes acting atrociously as early as 2pm on weekdays. A local custom (socialization of the locals) has been wiped by tourism. Slowly locals are freeing the "party district".

I can understand why one wants to avoid such situation (even as Michelin -tourists are not this troublesome, but starts a trend, which can even lead here). Is this xenophobic, then be so. I understand why people want to be xenophobic then.

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[hashmal]

> Doesn't a businessman have the right to choose who to do business with?

Depending on the country no. In France at least, that's not how it works.

[nimchimpsky]

> So what?

Lots of people don't like xenophobia.

> have the right to choose who to do business with?

Ah here we go. Like the hoteliers who don't allow gay people to stay ?

[hudbuddy]

The only other option is to government-mandate that, right? Not saying there aren't other unfortunate consequences of allowing a business owner to choose who they serve, but I'd say the larger problem is just that people can be... well... humans aren't great. However, putting the power in the hands of the law probably doesn't fix that.

Ultimately, why would you want to support someone who doesn't want you to be there?

Regardless, you've given me a new thing to think about. It's a complex issue for sure.

[piva00]

It surely helped to change how black people are treated in America, no government-mandate would mean "no blacks allowed" signs still hanging somewhere to this day...

[mantas]

Treating a part of your own society like shit is a bit different from society as a whole deciding they want less outsiders.

[scotty79]

In the era of modern travel outsiders are a part of your society.

[kodfodrasz]

No, they are not.

[kodfodrasz]

> Lots of people don't like xenophobia.

And lots of people don't like foreigners.

> Like the hoteliers who don't allow gay people to stay ?

Even that is OK in my opinion. The market will sort it out. There are clubs where gay people can have a good time. If gay accomodation becomes a niche market, there will be people seizing that opportunity. The law shall not discriminate people, but telling people what to think and forcing them doing stuff they don't agree with is dictatorship.

[scotty79]

If you leave it to the market you'll get segregation, and whites only stores and buses on no Jews and dogs allowed signs.

Allowing this kinds of things in public space wouldn't advance humanity.

[kodfodrasz]

A private business is not a public place.

[emj]

I've never understood that argument; if you invite unkown customers you are inviting the public. I mean if you really want to keep it private you would have to have a guest list imho. Which is fine, but you can't have a guest list that says "not that kind of people". Private is for things like Sento imperial palace, where you guide people through your property, but when you let people in freely it is my belief that at some point that will have to be interpreted as public space (like trademarks).

If you have a book that gives more nuance to this "a private buisness is not a public space" I would be glad to read it.

[kodfodrasz]

Actually you can have a place like that. There are places where you cannot enter unless dressed in a way, but there is no specific guest list.

[scotty79]

How so? Just because it has word "private" in its customary english name? If you translate it to other languages word private often disappears. And if it remains it serves to separate state owned buisnesses and privately own buisnesses. Both participate in public market, have random customers from the public and are regulated so that they need to display prices and not refuse service to some people based on owners stupidity.

[etplayer]

But nevertheless in intrudes on the public sphere, to simply deny its effect on the culture surrounding it and the society which uses it is naive. The idea that businesses exist apart from everyone and everything is a pernicious one.

[msla]

> And lots of people don't like foreigners.

And that's morally wrong.

[kodfodrasz]

Its not. Hurting them is wrong.

I also don't like junkies. Is that also wrong? Why do you tell me what i should like, and based on what ethics do you tell me what is morally right?

What if I tell you that liking foreigners is morally wrong where I live? We don't hurt them, but we don't like them because they keep telling us what we should do, and keep trying to conquer us for a millennia? Still we live in peace since a long time, we treat our guests well, but we don't categorically like them. Each and every guest can become an individually liked person, and even unliked ones are treated fairly (given a fair trial before execution ;) Hint for autists: It was a joke)

Jokes aside: Is this immoral? Why?

[msla]

It's morally wrong to hate something for an attribute they have no control over.

Is it morally wrong to hate someone who chooses to drink? Not really.

Is it morally wrong to hate someone born addicted to opioids, or born with fetal alcohol syndrome? Of course.

Being born "foreign" is no different, especially if you, as this chef does, live in a country where "nationality" is coterminous with "ethnicity" to the point multi-generational immigrant groups (ethnically Korean Japanese, for example) are considered "Not Japanese" by many Japanese people.

[kodfodrasz]

Nice strawman you have there!

But actually not like and hate are the same only in your dictionary.

[nimchimpsky]

wow, I forget that people like you exist.

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[kodfodrasz]

wow, just wow!

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