[djsumdog]

So it's just another platform. It happens to be a platform people flock to because they are 'no platformed' in another service.

The big companies are really limiting speech. You can't have separate black/white bathrooms, in many places your business can't allow indoor smoking, you can't limit employment based on certain things if you want equal opportunity employer benefits, yet we have no protection for speech.

Daily Stormer (which is honestly so crazy I couldn't tell if it was a parody) can't be hosted by any major or minor providers. No one will give them space to speak. When that many companies gets to control all the platforms, when Google can fire a guy for a well thought out opinion, they effectively censor dissenting idea.

I'm not saying I like gab. It's seriously full of voat type users, but they should have a place where they can speak.

[stcredzero]

Daily Stormer (which is honestly so crazy I couldn't tell if it was a parody)

If you examine the Nazi ideology, it really is at a psychotic level of cynicism. They don't care if you are a true believer, or if you're doing it for the lulz, or if you're a psychopath whose incentives happen to align. So long as you go along, it's fine.

If you go far enough left on the political spectrum, you arrive at the same place. (The rapists and murderers were made into bosses in the Gulag.) However, for some reason, speech that is almost as vile from the left is given a softer treatment.

[hamitron]

> If you go far enough left on the political spectrum, you arrive at the same place.

This horseshoe theory is widely disputed.

[stcredzero]

Both far extremes are identitarian. Both far extremes advocate violence. Both the Postmodern Left extremists and the Nazi extremists reject logic. Both extremes are collectivist in that both extremes reject the classical Liberal formulation of individual rights. All of the above are facts that you can cite in the writings of thought leaders of both groups.

http://a.co/7HHLSzp

It's true that it's a false equivalence between neo-Nazis and Antifa. But crapping on individual human rights in one's political interest is wrong either way, and both groups do that. It doesn't matter if steam is at 220 degrees or 440 degrees. It's going to scald you either way. It doesn't matter how bad, so much as that both are bad!

[boona]

> they should have a place where they can speak

I agree completely. The alternative is that the bad ideas get hidden away, and not seeing the light of day, they begin to fester sort of like social rot. Or worst, people turn to violence. Free speech is not only about being heard, but about weeding out bad ideas.

A great book on the subject is Kindly Inquisitors by Jonathan Rauch. He can explain the importance of free speech much gooderer than I ever could. :)

[nova22033]

They can access gab on their phone from the browser.

[DanAndersen]

A webapp will inherently lack some optimizations that a native app could provide. Wouldn't this suggest some uncomfortable analogies with net neutrality "slow lanes"? Certainly not a one-to-one mapping, but there's enough similar shape to give me pause.

[TeMPOraL]

> A webapp will inherently lack some optimizations that a native app could provide.

Then let's not even bring Progressive WebApps into the mix...

[hamitron]

To me, not providing services to those who spout hatred and violence, is also an expression of one's free speech. Having free speech doesn't mean you're free from consequence.

[problems]

Funny part about this is that Daily Stormer has hosting, DDoS protection and DNS service even a registrar now (Bulletproof.ai), but they can't find a TLD that won't censor them.