[michaelmrose]

Do you have a citation wherein encryption is treated like a safe or are you like most people kind of winging it?

I know they can't open a safe or for that matter a door without a court order. The point was that the comparison between forcing open a safe and forcing someone to produce a passphrase was meaningless because the apparently treacherous question of compulsion to testify against yourself wouldn't be tested when I drill could do the job.

I am not a lawyer but I know enough to know that most people in most discussions are full of it and know little. What actually is mysterious is why people believe that their nonexistent expertise adds to the discussion.

Imagine if the matter were technical and a bunch of non tech people, say the kind who get confused about ram and storage, referring to both as memory,or call the entire thing the cpu were volunteering different insights into the question at hand. It would be useless in a funny sort of way.