[anigbrowl]

That goes both ways. There's a good deal of venality to point to surrounding WW2 and its aftermath, but we should not ignore the existence of the United Nations or the principles upon which it is founded. It is a real institution that shapes world affairs, however imperfectly.

[guildwriter]

It's a global stage for kabuki. So yes, it definitely shapes world affairs that way. I don't really consider the principles of the UN to be important when it's a paper tiger. Government without force is not government.

[anigbrowl]

That's one way to ignore 60 years of history.

[guildwriter]

I'm saying that political theatre is important and necessary. When it comes to everything else the UN has a really bad history of ineffectiveness.

[anigbrowl]

It's flawed, for sure, but given the short history of supranational institutions that seems like something you'd expect to struggle with.