[zimpenfish]

> End-to-end encryption does not guarantee that Apple keeps your data encrypted

I'm probably misunderstanding something here but doesn't "end-to-end encryption" mean that A encrypts it with B's key and [whoever is in the middle passing it along] can't decrypt it because they don't have B's key?

[HugoDaniel]

Yup, so Apple knows about your data.

And according to that slide they are a "provider" for NSA.

End-to-end encryption at least maybe guarantees that it is not your ISP that is selling you out to NSA (making it harder for Apple to explain why they are on that list).

[zimpenfish]

How does Apple know about your data unless they have B's key?

[HugoDaniel]

Who generates the keys for B ?

[willstrafach]

You are not misunderstanding, you are correct.