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by rtpg 3211 days ago
Basic trick:

- Apple France is actually just a distributor for Apple Ireland

- Apple Ireland sells Apple France an iPhone at MSRP

- Apple France makes basically no profit because it sells "at cost"

- Apple Ireland books a profit for an iPhone sold in France

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That sounds way too easy... Is there any extra sleight of hand required? I'm surprised they can get a way with such blatant maneuvers.
As I understand it, there is also some monkey business related to patents. Something like this: Apple sells its patents to Apple Ireland for a dollar. Then they pay "royalties" to Apple Ireland everytime they sell an iPhone. I can't confirm where I read this.
My understanding is this structure is also possible in a "legitimate" setting

For example if Apple France is really just a distributor, and they buy their products at low margins, then it is what it is

I think a lot of tax agencies simply don't have the muscle to push forward on this

The most powerful politician in the EU - Jean-Claude Juncker - is personally responsible (not by himself, of course) for setting up these sorts of structures, and making sure they stay in place [1].

A quote from [1]:

"The president of the European commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, spent years in his previous role as Luxembourg’s prime minister secretly blocking EU efforts to tackle tax avoidance by multinational corporations, leaked documents reveal."

So:

> I think a lot of tax agencies simply don't have the muscle to push forward on this

No. They do. They're just prevented from doing so by the "socialists" (hah !) Europe "elected" (just pointing out that the leadership of the EU commission, the only organisation with real law-giving power in the EU aren't directly elected at all).

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/01/jean-claude...