[damnfine]

That argument just lowers the bar. It can be a shallow movie and also not insult my intelligence and cram product placements into every other shot. Bad filmmaking is bad. Do not make excuses for it.

[EpicEng]

Except people obviously like them, so at some point people like you just need to ignore them or ask yourselves if you're just being snooty.

And they're not "bad", says hundreds of critics and millions of moviegoers.

[ncallaway]

> Bad filmmaking is bad. Do not make excuses for it.

Well, I'll agree with your statement, if you agree with mine:

Different people have different opinions, and you can't make an objective claim of fact about something that is purely subjective.

[andybak]

And I'll state my opinion that The Avengers movies are objectively good.

You obviously disagree. What now?

We seem to have reached an impasse.