[ruthvik947]

This is not a very meaningful argument if you don't provide metrics for 'excellence' and 'success'

[Veelox]

Some metrics that assume long happy healthy secure lives are preferable.

* Life expectancy: this assumes longer is better

* Rate of suicide: happy secure people generally don't commit suicide

* Rate of preventable deceases: says something about health

* Rate of violent crime: secure people don't have to deal with crime