[enraged_camel]

>>by trying to call them nazis and getting rid of them.

Uh, they are quite literally Nazis. They do the Nazi salute, carry/wear swastikas and yell "blood and soil".

You may disagree with antifa but don't make the mistake of equating them with these losers.

[nextlevelwizard]

The thing is, at the moment if you do not agree with Antifa/SJW crowd you are automatically labeled a Nazi even if you do not wear their symbols or chant any of their slogans. It is strange that on some groups people always say "not all", but with alt-right it is always "they are all Nazis".

[zimpenfish]

> at the moment if you do not agree with Antifa/SJW crowd you are automatically labeled a Nazi

This just isn't true no matter how many times people say it.

[nextlevelwizard]

I only speak from experience. I've been called a Nazi scum for advocating civil behavior, refraining from violence and doxxing, and siding with free speech for everyone. People have even straight up assumed I was a (poorly hidden) KKK member because my user name has the word "wizard" in it.

[zichy]

>I've been called a Nazi scum for advocating civil behavior

Assuming that this is your account, do you call this misogynic shit "civil behavior"?

https://twitter.com/nextlevelwizard/status/71492088722555289...

https://twitter.com/nextlevelwizard/status/71490655573344665...

Spending time with games, anime and 4chan memes doesn't qualify for a political discourse.

[nextlevelwizard]

You can assume that it's my twitter, but I only have this username here and on reddit.

Then again I don't see why someone can't enjoy games, anime, or 4chan memes or how consuming them disqualifies you from having political opinions or dismissing them.

[zichy]

Okay, so it's not your Twitter account.

Reading some of your Reddit comments is almost worse. Living in Germany, it's hard to imagine that "communists" are still the bogeyman in the US.

[zimpenfish]

> I've been called a Nazi scum for advocating civil behavior, refraining from violence and doxxing, and siding with free speech for everyone.

You know that's going to require more than anecdotal evidence though, right?

[nextlevelwizard]

Frequent Reddit. Try taking just a step to right from your current views. You'll see how fast you'll get banned from all Left subreddits and you'll get called names and labeled as everything bad under the Sun.

This being said I'm also banned from the infamous The_Donald, since I do not belong to the right either.

[vanderreeah]

Your being banned from a subreddit is not the same as your right to free speech being infringed upon. "Free speech" does not equal "permission to post in one or more specific subreddits".

[zichy]

So you're neither right nor left? Wow, there has to be some new political identity which only the most intelligent people choose.

(I should probably stop arguing with centrists over the internet.)

[enraged_camel]

The thing is, many people conflate Freedom of Speech with free speech.

The former is the constitutionally protected freedom from government persecution (e.g. imprisonment) based on what you say.

The latter is the misguided belief that you should be allowed to say whatever you want in public without consequence.

I strongly believe it is morally wrong to side with people who support genocide, and whose predecessors have committed genocide. It is morally wrong to suggest they should be allowed (by other members of the public) to continue touting and spreading their hateful, vile ideologies. Siding with such people doesn't make you a Nazi, but it's still pretty bad.

They do have the right, i.e. Freedom of Speech, to demonstrate without government interference. They absolutely do not have the right, morally or otherwise, to demonstrate without interference from public groups.

America fought and defeated the Nazis in World War 2. Can you imagine this "both sides are wrong" argument being pushed forth back then?

Well, actually you don't have to imagine it. In the late 1920s and early 1930s when Nazis were still a relatively fringe extremist group, Antifa was violently opposing them and beating them up in the streets. And many members of the German public, mainly the German middle class, denounced such violence, which only served to empower the Nazis, who could in turn say "See? Violence is wrong! Everyone says so!"

We all know how it all ended up.

[nextlevelwizard]

Yet no Nazi symbolism or chants were present in the Alt-Right's ranks before Antifa started to organize Black Blocks and turned protests violent.

Remember this whole cycle started by grown adults wanting special treatment, such as safe spaces and forced usage special pronouns, and people who were against such non-sense.

[zichy]

This is the worst comment I've read in a long while. Political discussions on HN are the worst.

[zimpenfish]

> Yet no Nazi symbolism or chants were present in the Alt-Right's ranks

You think the identification of someone as a Nazi requires them to be wearing symbolism or chanting? No. The alt-right has been espousing Nazi ideals and philosophy for a long time - well before Spencer coined the cute term for them.

> Remember this whole cycle started by grown adults wanting special treatment

Yes, I remember the GamerGate idiots too.

[enraged_camel]

>>Yet no Nazi symbolism or chants were present in the Alt-Right's ranks before Antifa started to organize Black Blocks and turned protests violent.

I don't know where you get your news.

This is from July 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijRE9eR6tX0

An Republican National Convention speaker openly doing the Nazi salute at the end of her speech. No one batted an eye.

This is from November 21st, 2016: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard...

Members of the audience perform the Nazi salute at the end of white supremacist Richard Spencer's speech.

I can go on. The fact is that Nazis have always been a part of the alt-right for as long as the alt-right has existed, because their ideology strongly aligns with, and is the logical end result of, alt-rightism. They show up at alt-right rallies because they know they can recruit young, impressionable people to their ranks there by whipping them up into a frenzy.

If you think they started showing up only after Antifa broke a few store windows, you haven't been paying attention.

[johnny22]

your whataboutism is nonsense. please take it somewhere else.