[apgwoz]

> I have always thought that a hack is making something unexpected out of things that aren't supposed to be used this way

Ideally that'd be the type of thing that people present at this group, though I'm fairly certain that not everyone will present these types of innovations. That's OK by me. I just want to develop a platform for people to get help offline with their projects, which may encourage "hacking" as you discuss. It's an experiment to see what happens. Zed Shaw's Freehacker's Union failed, I think, because he put this sort of restriction on it. "YOU HAVE TO PRESENT SOMETHING AND IT HAS TO BE COOL AND HAVE VALUE OR YOU CAN'T COME BACK" is not a language we'll speak here.