[norea-armozel]

It's weird how my comment really struck the nerve that it did since it's partly in jest. But I will say this much, historically the rich have always favored military solutions rather than economic (or social) ones in dealing with class warfare. If the rich of today want to take a page out of history, they should be more like Otto von Bismarck and pay off the poor and disenfranchised. Meaning that some kind of reformed and expansive welfare state is something that's needed more than Uberizing every facet of life (the most recent one that's really annoyed me is the monetization of game mods by Bethesda; it's a hobby, not a job.). Whether or not that includes basic income remains to be seen, but the fact is all the opposition to any kind of welfare under capitalism will doom capitalism to be overthrown more violently than it had been in the early 20th century by communists.

[mseebach]

It has nothing to do with nerves being struck and everything to do with your 150 year out of date social analysis being so absurd that it's not even wrong.

By the way, the lower class is striking back, but it looks more like a fake tan and a combover than the image of St. Petersburg in 1917 you seem to lust for.

[lightbyte]

>By the way, the lower class is striking back, but it looks more like a fake tan and a combover than the image of St. Petersburg in 1917 you seem to lust for.

Are you implying the lower class is "striking back" by electing a NYC real estate billionaire as president? Who are you thinking they are striking against, themselves?

[mseebach]

Well, there's me and Michael Moore. https://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

> Who are you thinking they are striking against, themselves?

Being right is not a prerequisite. The workers that rose up in communist revolutions 100 years ago got throughly screwed over.

[jrs95]

The good news is that Sanders 2020 is looking very much like a reality at this point

[norea-armozel]

>It has nothing to do with nerves being struck and everything to do with your 150 year out of date social analysis being so absurd that it's not even wrong.

Tell that to the US DSA which is seeing record membership increases. And tell that to Kamala Harris who's an astute politician that co-signed Sander's single-payer bill. If the winds of change aren't blowing leftward then explain the current trend.

Also, Trump's ascendancy is the result of the capitalists not the working class. Robert Mercer (one of Trump's key supporters) has as much in common with you and me than does a mouse with a moose. Essentially, Trump is the carefully created result of decades of right wing propaganda and concerted destruction of the welfare state. Want to see less of Trump? Then tax the living heck out of the super rich and/or ban their right to fund any kind of think tank or PAC forever (down to a constitution amendment if necessary).

[mseebach]

The winds may blow leftward, but that's a far cry from a 1917-style workers uprising.

Some bad news: Bernie Sanders' support is substantially middle class. His policies are only very generously described as socialism at all, crucially he does not even begin to propose a fundamental break with private property or capitalism.

The rise of Bernie Sanders may be a nice development, and his hypothetical election might well bring benefits. But it's not going to be a workers revolution in any meaningful 20th century sense of the word.

Trump may be all that, but he was elected by appealing to the working class. Bernie Sanders has as much in common with you and I as a mouse has with a slightly smaller moose. Few of the revolutionary icons of the 20th century were themselves working class (Marx himself was remarkably posh). The important metric for a working class uprising is what the working class does (specifically, that it rises up), not the class background of the person they rise behind.

[jrs95]

"astute politician" is probably the most generous possible description of Kamala Harris