[willitpamp573]

Obviously the plugin isn't the issue, the fact that my browser will now be uploading X MB/sec, which I have no control over, to random peers. This sucks, especially because I have capped monthly bandwidth from my penny-pinching ISP.

Why should I host and seed your data for free?

[technopriest]

We detect if you are on a metered connection and we disable all seeding functionality to ensure you are not playing for the bandwidth we use. We also have an opt out mechanism, but that is up to the installing site to implement. The reason you would want to host data is that you get a faster internet experience. We fill your cache with assets that YOU are likely to request in the future. Performance is our driving metric.

[hwillis]

You and jloveless have been commendably open in this submission. Personally, I think that if you're not destroying someone's limited data then you're meeting what should be expected of you. Demanding that you deliver your content in a certain way is silly IMO.

Say I have a web application that displays a complex rendering of millions of constantly changing points, and for some reason it's very expensive for me to do computing. However it's easy to write some javascript that renders the millions of points on the user's computer. It's absurd to say I'm being unreasonable by streaming more data to the user instead of rendering frames and streaming video. Using my upload speed is annoying, but it's still stupid to pretend that using a website is entirely one-sided. It's like complaining about ad bandwidth.

Abuse is one thing, but this isn't categorically bad. Plus, it's really cool!

[jloveless]

Thank you! We work _really_ hard to ensure we're staying off CPU, managing disk, and making every replication event count (generally intra-ASN). But it's also really valuable for our NGO clients (and other non profits). My personal favorite is an aide program where they literally bring a Supernode on a laptop, setup a WiFi[1] point in the middle of no-where and can support a fully interactive site for refugee's who have devices when they reach the camp. They can then find out where they are, and what's going on - and you can power a surprisingly large site from a single laptop . It's also really helpful in places like sub-Sahara Africa where in region bandwidth capacity _dramatically_ outstrips off country bandwidth.

[1] http://www.meshpoint.me/

[hwillis]

That's fantastic! I have a personal vendetta against heavy websites specifically because of how unusable they are in remote countries, so that sounds just fucking awesome to me.

[cat199]

> Demanding that you deliver your content in a certain way is silly IMO.

Perhaps, but expecting that visiting a website implies that my computer is not transparently inserted into another companies CDN distribution scheme is not..

via: https://edgemesh.com/product

" ClientRecieve & Render

When a user visit's an edgemesh enabled site their browser begins to execute the client side Smart Mesh™ accelerator. This code uses our patent pending distribution method to transparently and seamlessly join the edgemesh overlay network. While the your web page assets are requested, the client side code analyzes the response time from your servers to the browser and will optimally decide when to request assets (images, videos, etc.) from the mesh network vs. fetching the assets from your server as normal. If the client obtains the assets from your servers, it alerts the Hub process to store these new assets on the mesh. Best of all, this dynamic crawling of your webpage means no more management of cache settings, even on dynamic content.

Smart Mesh™ ensures your users always have the most recent copies of the most requested assets, automagically. "

" HubMesh & Store

The Hub process is a client side Javascript engine which loads in parallel to the user's page load process. The Hub is the client side brains behind edgemesh, and allows the browser to effectively pre-cache content. The Hub communicates with the edgemesh signal servers and gets the optimal list of assets for this browser. Unlike simple peer enhanced solutions, the Hub allows for Cross Origin asset replication.

For example, if your users are viewing https://example.com the Hub process allows their browser to request cached assets from other active edgemesh users - even those currently viewing other sites! The Hub intelligently replicates the edge caches across geographies and networks, and in most cases ensures your visitors have a local copy of your content before they even know they need it. Best of all, the Hub ensures that your site joins the millions of other mesh enabled users - allowing you to tap into the colocated acceleration of peers across the entire community. "

Not quite sure how this isn't that much different than a JS based Bot client / trojan horse TBH, although the traffic isn't officially "malicious", but rather part of some 'innovative and disruptive new startup tech'..

I will look forward to see this go the way of the Bonzi Buddy and Clippy.

[willitpamp573]

I'm talking about seeding though. Seeding data to random peers will make my internet slower, not faster. I don't want to seed. If your service makes my machine start seeding to random people because I accidentally visited a website that uses your malware, then that sucks!

Maybe implement some kind of blockchain solution so that I get paid for the data I seed? (/s)

[tokenizerrr]

I have no interest in having my storage or bandwidth abused for anything that is not being shown on my screen right that very moment. And even then, uploading this content to other people is ludicrous. I will be sure to block your assets.

Anyone know of a good way to detect sites that are rude enough to abuse my network connection for their own gain?

[jloveless]

Probably the best way is to check the WebRTC stats [1] if using Chrome. We sit atop the WebRTC stack for p2p functionality.

[1] https://testrtc.com/find-webrtc-active-connection/

[lioeters]

Bravo for your transparent and open approach to user feedback. The standard these days seems to have fallen low, with countless companies implementing sneaky ways to exploit users however they can, with sugar-coated, obfuscated language. It's refreshing to see such honest replies from this project, especially considering the question is about how to avoid participating unwittingly. I also would prefer not to share bandwidth in this way without knowing, but as you described in another comment, I see there are real positive benefits when used ethically.

[aw3c2]

> We detect if you are on a metered connection

How that? What makes you think that is even possible?

[jloveless]

What we do it we have a mapping of ASNs that are flagged as metered. When your client comes online we take the IP, map to the ASN and determine if it is able to upload (e.g. on cellular/metered etc). We buy this data today and you can always drop an email to [e-mail] with your IP and we will add it in. We also prioritize upload partners for known ASNs (e.g. you're more likely to be chosen for upload if you are on Verizon Business than Verizon Fios than Telstra).

[hedora]

Verizon's FIOS explicitly forbids this in section 4.3:

3. Restrictions on Use. The Service is a consumer grade service and is not designed for or intended to be used for any commercial purpose. Except as otherwise set forth in this Agreement, you may not resell, re-provision or rent the Service, (either for a fee or without charge) or allow third parties to use the Service via wired, wireless or other means. For example, you may not provide Internet access to third parties through a wired or wireless connection or use the Service to facilitate public Internet access (such as through a Wi-Fi hotspot), use it for high volume purposes, or engage in similar activities that constitute such use (commercial or non-commercial). If you subscribe to a Broadband Service, you may connect multiple computers/devices within a single home to your modem and/or router to access the Service through a single Verizon-issued IP address, and if available through the Service, you may permit guests to access the Internet through your Service’s Wi-Fi capabilities. You also may not exceed the bandwidth usage limitations that Verizon may establish from time to time for the Service, or use the Service to host any type of server. Violation of this Section may result in bandwidth restrictions on your Service or suspension or termination of your Service.

Source: http://www.verizon.com/about/sites/default/files/Verizon-Onl...

[jloveless]

Let me first say ... IANAL. That being said this (like most legal language) is a broad as possible and by design. Having spoken with Verizon (Wholesale, Wireless and Edgecast teams) there seems to be a consensus that models that limit their (the telecoms) transit costs are encouraged and there's a number[1][2] of commercial examples where thats the case. Indeed - their own CDN offerings don't (yet) have the economics (today) to support more distributed caches, so something like this which is lightweight and requires no DNS/infrastructure changes is interesting. A place where this is getting a lot of discussion is where we'd least expect it: on the LTE networks. Since there isn't yet[3] a solution for mobile peering there's a lot of discussion around solutions to run low cost, light weight caches _inside_ the Radio Area network.

[1] Xbox One | https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/wed.general.palmer... [2] Spotify | https://community.spotify.com/t5/Desktop-Linux-Windows-Web-P... [3] http://datacenterfrontier.com/vapor-io-teams-with-tower-tita...

[dsr_]

So you've blacklisted AT&T, CenturyLink, Cox, Exede, HughesNet, MediaCom, StarTouch, SuddenLink, and Comcast?

All of those have the majority of their subscribers paying extra fees once they cross an invisible usage line, AKA a "data cap".