[jackmodern]

5k, how? I don't see any less than 8k on autotrader.

[kylecordes]

I've heard stories over the years of "plausibly desirable car X is selling for around price $Y!" - yet when I look around a bit, prices are always much higher.

[nroach]

unlisted private party sale; auction purchase; craigslist opportunistic purchase; etc

auto trader is typically dealer sales and paid-listing private party. the best deals won't be found there.