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by eric_bullington 3224 days ago
> I do exactly this, AM(A)A.

Thanks! Do you do this kind of work as a contractor, presumably?

Do you also typically write documentation for the projects you're working on (inside from inline comments)?

How did you get started in this line of work?

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Technically as a contractor, yes - but I'm not like 'most' contractors where I go in and out for a few months at a time. Rather, I'm part of the research grant and as such work alongside the scientists to make their prototypes into something more robust (sometimes market ready, sometimes not yet, depends), usually in years-long projects.

No I don't usually write docs - I get the authors or maintainers of the models I work on to do that. I do guide them, provide templates and examples, and ask for clarification when they're missing parts. I have standardized methodologies ready for that, which I developed myself mostly (this is one of my USP's, as long as I manage to convince people of the value, which is quite hard and which I often fail at). I don't think it's good practice or very efficient for programmers to reverse-engineer the whole thing because you have to become a domain expert to do so. I also think that this is why it's not for everybody - too many people let themselves get sucked in too deep, making it very time intensive. I understand the temptation, it's much more intellectually satisfying to go deep yourself. But I think you need to be as much project manager as programmer, so that you can get the actual domain experts to figure out the complicated (domain knowledge) parts, and limit yourself to factor out/replace the plumbing and introduce good software engineering practices. Those usually don't last after you (I) leave though, so it's also important not to get too worked up about that.

I started out at a research group that found itself accidentally too heavy on software people, the group got into projects doing software stuff because of that, developed a reputation for being 'the software guys' and failed as a research group because of that (it's a lot more complicated than that, this is the Cliff's Notes obviously). Through many coincidences that can't be replicated on purpose, I'm now hyper-specialized in doing the thing the OP describes in a tiny, narrow field.

The 'trick' (well it's not a trick really) to get work is to be very well connected and work hard to remain that way (being well connected is not something you find yourself in, it's the result of many years of thankless, feedback-less grinding), make your work visible to the outside (i.e. marketing, although obviously the 'buy Adwords' type of marketing is 100% useless here) and to know the science funding processes very, very well to understand incentives of all parties involved. This last part is vastly underestimated; not just for what I do, but also for researchers themselves. For example, the reason I'm usually in is when the project asks for something with demonstrable real-world application (this is a very common requirement the last decades, even for highly theoretical fields). So knowing how to put a veneer on theoretical work is a very non-obvious but highly valuable skill. ('veneer' is not 'hiding things' or 'faking', which will work maybe once or twice - I'm talking about (essentially) science communication more than 'writing papers' science).

Furthermore, being realistic is also important. I'm never going to be rich doing this, nor will I ever employ large amounts of people (or any people at all apart from the occasional 1 or 2 day freelance subcontractor). It's also something for the long haul - 10 years to become established. Other downsides are the sometimes infuriating academic politics, the eternal 'I'm a mathematician/physics/CS PhD so I'm God's gift to mankind and everything that cannot be distilled down to a theorem is 100% useless' characters you run into (they're not that common tbh but they still annoy me endlessly), and not having clear goals or even goals at all. It's like being a PhD student except worse, and with no end in sight or even a thesis to work towards. The upsides are long-term contracts, lots of freedom, intellectually more stimulating work than writing marketing websites or CRUD apps, and being respected as an expert at something even if it's a tiny sliver you're considered to be an expert at.

Wow this sounds really great! I'm impressed that you managed to navigate this area. It sounds like you have a very intelligent approach.

It's something I'd like to do, but the networking/politics might keep me out of it. (My family are in the sciences, so I'm familiar with how academia works.)

It's a shame it doesn't pay more. On the other hand, getting exposed to a lot of different things is more valuable long term than specializing in corporate niche.

I left a pretty high-paying job to work on open source (for $0) so I can relate.

"I'm impressed that you managed to navigate this area. It sounds like you have a very intelligent approach."

To be honest, it's likely more survivor bias than skill or successful execution of a preconceived plan. This is important to recognize as I'm asked a few times a year how to end up in the place I'm in, but I don't think there is a solid path to do so, nor am I in a position to give advice beyond the standard 'think hard, work hard, keep your eyes out for opportunities, pay yourself first'.

Just saying - in case anyone is reading this in the hope of steering their career one way or the other, don't take the answers I gave here as anything more than an anecdote :)