[_ar7]

My question would be what's the alternative? Cross platform native apps rarely look as good, and would require entirely new code bases and different sets of developers. Sure electron sucks for users, but what's the business incentive to ship native apps other than to satisfy the minority of users who are even aware electron saps so many resources?

I think that for whomever is developing using electron in most cases the desktop versions of the apps wouldn't even exist if electron wasn't a thing. Also, just as a side note, electron apps are so _easy_ to develop. I don't know if any other platforms that target desktop are as simple, but I might just be out of the loop.

[cmiles74]

I'm a dreamer, I know it, but I still would like some kind of easy-to-use, developer friendly cross-platform UI toolkit. I used to do Swing development and, eventually, I learned to appreciate it. I understand why more people aren't jumping on the Swing train at this point but I have to say, the UI provided by Swing was less restrictive than the one provided by Electron.

Something in between would gain traction, I think, as Electron developer's run up against the hard edge of the kinds of UI Electron apps will allow.

[rmrfrmrf]

> the UI provided by Swing was less restrictive than the one provided by Electron.

I really want to know the use cases you're talking about, because, to me, nothing could be further from the opposite.

[cmiles74]

Warning: this video is old, lengthy, poorly paced and rather dull so feel free to click ahead. Still, it demonstrates a reasonably complicated Swing application that looks somewhat like a native Mac OS X application. The video was put together around 2003 so the look and feel is pretty dated. But the interface is fairly complicated and it does get feedback to the customer as soon as they get data out of range, etc.

https://youtu.be/r_lTGoTscos

[kuschku]

Have you tried JavaFX? It is awesome to work with.