[peteretep]

    > - Chanting, "Jews will not replace
    > us!" while making a salute?

Sounds like an idiot anti-semite to me

    > - Wearing a conical white hood, open
    > or closed, and white (and possibly
    > scarlet) robes at torchlit rallies?

Sounds like a Klan member to me

They're all deplorable, and I'm sure there's a great deal of overlap between groups, but why sacrifice accuracy by calling them Nazis?

[matt4077]

They're calling themselves Nazis. They wave flags, with Swastikas.

I do understand that GWB wasn't a Nazi. And maybe there was a bit too much wolf-crying. But even if the boy has had this annoying habit at crying "wolf" every day–does that render you unable to recognise a wolf when he's staring you in the eyes?

[peteretep]

Who is "they" in this sentence? The original comment was giving a hypothetical subject.

Someone waving a flag with a Swastika, non-ironically, yes, they're a Nazi. Someone calling themself a Nazi? Yes, they're a Nazi.

Holocaust-denier and notable anti-semite and crazy person David Icke? A delusional idiot, but not a nazi. KKK members who believed National Socialism was still socialism and battled Nazis in WWII? Racist fuckheads, but not Nazis. Francoist Faciscts? Probably not Nazis, although I'd forgive you for making a strong case for it.

We have words and phrases like white supremacist, anti-semite, racists, and Nazi. They all mean things, and there's plenty of overlap. I'm not sure what we gain by mislabelling one group as another, other than opening ourselves up to accusations we're crying wolf.

[KirinDave]

Wellll... I mean I gave a list of things to watch for in a collective group. If a collective group is doing all these things, on camera, proudly... you're probably safe calling them Neo-Nazis and "Nazi" for short.

While the Klan has a long and inglorious tradition, it merges seamlessly with the pro-Nazi elements of the US in world war 2, for the most part. And Nazis are what folks had in mind when they say, "Anti-semite".

So I'm curios if YOU were ever confused. Or if this is for the rhetorical masses (who by and large don't seem too confused once they see a picture, that I can discern).

[peteretep]

    > If a collective group is doing
    > all these things

If a collective group is doing any of the other things you've mentioned, I'd say they're pretty definitely a Nazi.

    > [the Klan] merges seamlessly with
    > the pro-Nazi elements of the US in
    > world war 2

I don't think that's accurate. Overlap, yes. I'm not sure what muddying the water between different hate groups achieves.

    > Nazis are what folks had in mind
    > when they say, "Anti-semite"

I don't think that's even slightly accurate. Anti-semitism is a (terrible) feature of many many ideologies, from ISIS to mediaeval Iberian Catholicism, to people who believe that we're all controlled by shape-shifting masonic lizard aliens.

    > So I'm curios if YOU were ever confused

Yes. Is David Duke a Nazi? Milo Ywhatever-his-name-is? Gamergate people? The_Donald?

[KirinDave]

> Yes. Is David Duke a Nazi?

Duke acts in accordance with most of their principles, so yes.

> Milo Ywhatever-his-name-is?

He hangs out with some self-proclaimed Nazis, but we've yet to see him walking in a march waving the flag.

> Gamergate people?

I actually think most are sexist. I see plenty of post-gaters resisting Trump and decrying the violence we're discussing.

> The_Donald

The reddit? Or DJT himself? For the reddit, I don't even know what it is. It's like one of those lego advertisement cartoons that doesn't have to make sense so long as we all agree we should buy Legos.

As for DJT himself? I would have said no before last week, but that last press conference really left me wondering.