[lern_too_spel]

False equivalence. Gay people don't choose to be gay, and gay people aren't harming others. A business can refuse to serve skateboarders, shirtless people, and other people who are being a nuisance; and it can certainly refuse to serve people who bring violence wherever they go.

[DharmaPolice]

>Gay people don't choose to be gay

Out of interest, if tomorrow it was somehow proved beyond doubt that being gay was a choice, would this make discrimination OK?

[lern_too_spel]

You left out the second part of the sentence.

[mnglkhn2]

You seem to contradict the recent view in the LGBTQ. community that gender is a social construct and that you can choose which gender feels right for you!

Your implication that being gay has to do with biology and hence it has a hereditary component is at odds with what we are currently hearing from everywhere.

Which view is it the valid one?

To me these are exclusive so in the community should choose just one discourse.

[dashundchen]

Wow, grossly misrepresented and mischarachaterized.

As a member of the LGBTQ community I have met zero trans people who feel that they chose their gender expression, and zero people who felt they chose their sexual orientation, instead of being born and growing into their identities over time. I'm not saying it doesn't exist but I highly, doubt it's anywhere close to a plurality much less a majority.

Where exactly have you heard that most trans people are "choosing" their expressed gender? And why do you think there is one view for many people to "choose"?

[mnglkhn2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer

https://lgbtq.unc.edu/resources/exploring-identities

http://lgbt.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_identity

[dashundchen]

Sorry, I'm not sure which part of those sites supports your claim.

Identification and expression, in gender and sexuality, are not the same as choice.

A gay person living in an society oppressive to gay men would not choose to identify as gay and may express themselves as being straight, but that doesn't mean their orientation is heterosexual.

They may choose to repress their sexual orientation or gender expression for the sake of survival, or other reasons, but the innate feelings behind the expression are typically not choice. Do you think LBGTQ people in countries where expression is punishable are death are just casually opting to risk the lives of thmeselves and their family?

Not coincidentally, LBGTQ people were persecuted and exterminated by Nazis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people