[noir_lord]

There was a post on twitter earlier that said "Take your first name and your last name, that's your Nazi-fighting name".

I asked "Actual Nazi's like National Socialists with a Eugenics campaign, or people we just don't like".

Did not go well.

We should be careful to a) not call everything Nazi and thereby dilute the effect b) call people are actual Nazi's whatever the fuck you want, they can all go die quietly for all I care.

[fiblye]

Point A is something people don't realize they need to be careful with. The terms "racist" and "sexist" have been so overused and reduced to meaninglessness in the past few years, that true sexism and racism have been allowed to grow and become publicly visible. People can just brush off or even proudly own up to accusations because it's been so wrongly applied so often.

"Nazi" used to be a thing that people used to call politicians they didn't like online. Now everyone is calling everybody a nazi everywhere. It'll get to a "Who cares if they're a nazi?" point pretty quickly.

[noir_lord]

Yep and you lose (in a general sense) a convenient way of summarising a narrow and dangerous political ideology for a moments gratification in saying "Don't listen them, they are a Nazi".

I don't call someone a Nazi unless they are literally a Nazi, I don't call them a Fascist unless they are literally a Fascist and I don't call them a Communist because they think that maybe corporations shouldn't have the game rigged in their favour and own the pitch.

The part I really like is when I've been attacked by people with largely similar views to my own for sticking up for the rights of people to hold different views.

If you think your argument is stronger, then make the damn argument, don't resort to name calling and lazy "but he's a Foo and we all know that Foo's can never be right, stupid Foo's".

There are people on the hard-right in the UK I can't stand and there are some who have some valid points, you can accept the validity of some points without accepting the argument.

Also while I'm venting, I fucking hate "what aboutism", "Foo's have been doing <bad things>" "yeah but what about what the Bars did"...yeah both Foo and Bar can be cunts at the same time, We are talking about Foo in this instance, lets get to Bar's later.

My philosophy is "You have a right to think whatever you want, You don't have any rights to make me think it".

I'd rather have reasonable debate over a wide range of issues than furious debate over a narrow spectrum as Chomsky warned about in Manufacturing Consent (I think, I need to re-read that book).

[kelnos]

> My philosophy is "You have a right to think whatever you want, You don't have any rights to make me think it".

Sure, but what happens when people thinking whatever they want are able to affect national policy, even if they aren't a majority? You get the Trump administration... or worse.

[_euac]

I guess you haven't had a chance to go check their website. Maybe you should, before you spend too much time trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. These people are self-declared Nazis, and they do fantasize about killing all kinds of minorities.

[AndrewKemendo]

Actual Nazi's like National Socialists with a Eugenics campaign, or people we just don't like

How about the test being whether they are waving the Nazi flag? That's pretty unambiguous.

[moogly]

Unless they're being paid to wave that flag by that PewDiePie character.