[hnnsj]

Yes, yes, yes. You have to go to the root of the problem. It's impossible to solve the problem by (only) changing the recruitment processes. It starts way earlier than that. You can't expect to have the current gender distribution in education and job applications that we have today and then expect the numbers to magically even out in recruitment no matter what policies the companies have. It basically doesn't matter what way you measure differences in programming interest, at every level there are vastly more men than women that are interested in programming, let alone has anything more than cursory experience with it.

I believe that can be changed. I don't think it's biological. But the changes needed are wide and deep. If you want it to change, you have to actually change something about culture. That also means letting go of things you are familiar and comfortable with, maybe even some thing you really like. Gender norms need to change. I'm not so sure a lot of people even actually want that. Many seem to want to fix some negative symptoms, but not fix the root cause.

[averagewall]

Why does it need to change? Maybe both men and women are happy in their common jobs? Whatever the reason, nurses seem to choose nursing and programmers choose programming so they all get what they want.

There may be a sub-minority of women who want to be programmers but are discriminated out of it. That's not good but it's surely a tiny fraction of humans. Not worth changing everyone else's job for.

[hnnsj]

Do everyone seem to be fine with it? Why do we have these massive discussions about economic and work equality, then? Obviously a lot of people think it's a major problem. I think there's clear evidence for that. It's just that, in my opinion, most people are not really prepared to do what needs to be done to change, they'd rather just try in vain to treat the negative symptoms.