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by jcelerier
3230 days ago
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> OOP has lots of well-known unique characteristics such as inheritance, dynamic dispatch, polymorphism, encapsulation, etc... OO just means that you have a semantic entity, the object, which contains data and to which you associate code. Your main tool to work with is this object; just like in FP your main tool to work with is the function to which you associate data through closures and currying. Likewise, in logic programming your main tool is the constraint. And these aren't relevant to the language. You can do both OO and FP in most mainstream languages. > dynamic dispatch is just allowing to associate a different implementation to the same function name. Every languages that have some kind of function pointer allow this. > polymorphism is in almost every language, including FP. data Tree a = Empty | Node a (Tree a) (Tree a)
is polymorphism. C++ templates are polymorphism. Rust traits are polymorphism.> message-passing is only relevant if you adhere to Alan Kay's vision of objects. I personally don't (even if the guy coined the term). |
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> Every languages that have some kind of function pointer allow this.
It doesn't seem like you're reading the discussion. The claim the parent made was that "every time you do {X}, it is OOP". My reply was "yes, you can do OOP in C, but OOP implies far more than just {X} (it implies {Y}, etc.); merely {X} does not imply OOP".
You reply with "languages that have function pointers allow {Y}". Well yes, they do allow {Y}. Most/all of them in fact probably allow OOP in full. Nobody suggested such languages don't allow OOP (in fact I said the opposite about C). What does that have to do with the entire discussion and argument? Your argument isn't even wrong... it doesn't even compile.
> message-passing is only relevant if you adhere to Alan Kay's vision of objects. I personally don't (even if the guy coined the term).
This 100% completely misses the point of what I said. Replace it with "procedural call" if you're allergic to "message passing". The point I was making was we're talking about subroutine calls: you call a procedure and wait for it to produce a single value as the resulting output before proceeding. Again: if you're not used to other paradigms then that might be why you're missing my point here and adversely reacting to superficial things like the nomenclature. Whether you dress it as message passing or anything else has nothing to do with the issue.