[fixxer]

In the case of drug crimes, I agree with you. Appeal of the logic starts to break down when you scale it out for violent offenders. In fact, I find the lax sentencing in Scandanavian countries appalling.

[ceejayoz]

> In fact, I find the lax sentencing in Scandanavian countries appalling.

Do you find their low recidivism rates similarly appalling?

[fixxer]

I find their population bares little resemblence to Chicago's.

[ceejayoz]

We're not talking about Chicago, are we?

You said "In fact, I find the lax sentencing in Scandanavian countries appalling." I'm asking if you're appalled by the low recidivism rates their apparently-appalling justice system produces.

[fixxer]

Sure we are.

"Socialism works so well there! We should do it here."

"They have such low recidivism there! We should use their sentencing as a standard!"

I think violent offenses are more than something that requires reform for the perpetrator. It requires justice for the victim. Rape and murder? Fuck you, you're going away FOREVER.

[ceejayoz]

What, exactly is the socialist/capitalist dividing line when it comes to sentencing length? At what point does a short murder sentence become a sign of socialism?

[tinus_hn]

Would you find it less appalling to have them adapt their sentences to a population they don't have?