[gue5t]

This seems really complicated. Is ZeroTier closer to an cjdns- / i2p-style system, or is it closer to CurveCP/MinimaLT/QUIC? (QUIC being the odd one out of the trio as it grafts on some awful HTTP semantics, but that's Google for you.)

[jah6q]

Yeah, I did link to a particularly dense and unapproachable section of the manual.

ZT is designed to just be an end to end encrypted virtual LAN for anything you want to dump across it.

There's also a library implementation which effectively gives every app its own cryptographically-derived address (if that's what you're into).

[zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC]

> QUIC being the odd one out of the trio as it grafts on some awful HTTP semantics, but that's Google for you.

What specifically do you mean by that, and are you sure that it still applies to the IETF version?

[gue5t]

There are a number of statements like "QUIC is functionally equivalent to TCP+TLS+HTTP/2" in the "QUIC wire specification" and other documents, and this agrees with what I remember seeing in the source in the Chromium repo when I last looked.

I've not read about the IETF version; I'll look into it.

[zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC]

I haven't been following QUIC very closely, but from what I understand, they have put in a proper abstraction between the TCP+TLS part and the HTTP part. While the mapping of how to use HTTP over QUIC is still part of the spec, as I understand it, there shouldn't be any major problems mapping other protocols onto it.