[StargazyPi]

For me, it's this line:

"This leads to women generally having a harder time negotiating salary, asking for raises, speaking up, and leading."

Sure, there are statistical differences between genders. This is a total non-sequitur from that, with no citation in sight to try allay blame. This is just the 1950s calling with its stereotypes.

Women may be more agreeable, and more less assertive. However you had better provide fairly convincing proof that we are speaking up too little, rather than merely less than men do.

[jorgemf]

I think there are studies that probe that claim. In my experience when I told some female friends to ask for a raise because they deserved it, some of them decided not to do it because a list of non-sense excuses (afraid to talk with their supervisors, that they will look for another job in the future, that their bosses don't like them, etc)

Bear in mind the published doc don't have the references the original work had. They removed them when they made it public (not the author)

[IanDrake]

He said "women generally having..."

You said "women may be more..."

What he said is fine, what you said is sexist.

He is talking about a distribution curve, you are talking about an entire gender.

[StargazyPi]

Not what I'm discussing. I'm using hyperbole to make a point, because I'm annoyed.

I'm discussing the inference that people who possess more traditionally feminine traits are any less good at leading.

[IanDrake]

So you're just as annoyed for men with traditionally feminine traits as you are for women?

Good for you. That's a consistent philosophy. Something to be discussed and debated.

But this guy just got fired for this discussion, which puts google in the evil camp for me.

[StargazyPi]

Nah, as Sundar's response says, and I agree with, he didn't get fired for discussing things that shouldn't be discussed, or criticising ideology. That should be welcomed. http://fortune.com/2017/08/08/google-anti-diversity-memo-sun...

He got fired for the other bits, the casually implying 40% of the workforce were, onr average, somehow inferior and less suited to their work than men, and for not taking it down but stirring the pot, when he realised that he'd wildly misjudged the reaction people would have to it.

[panda88888]

Gizmodo and other sites removed charts and citations from the memo. The full version with links to references is here:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...

[StargazyPi]

I've read it. That claim has no backing whatsoever. It's unmeasurable.