[usmeteora]

Welp, before the entire document was released I made a long statement below based on what I read, trying to give a reasonable consideration for somebody elses viewpoint, but then I read the document where the reader noncholantly listed the following things as inherent underlying biological differences unique to women, not to be up for debate, as the nondisputable premise for how to address the ideological echo chamber,here were the top most infuriating things I read. I must be infuriated because I'm a women and I'm neurotic, which brings me to #1.

"Neuroticism: higher anxiety, lower stress tolerance".

Of course, women are neurotic, so that explains alot of why women in comparable roles just arent doing as well.

"Harder time negociating salary, asking for raises, speaking up, and leading. These are just average differences, but this is seen as soley a womens issue"

Well thank you for clearing that up. There is aboslutely nothing that causes these differences in women and it is entirely based on their faulty self perception that is there for a reason which must exist because....well you know the answer, which brings me to my next point...

"Women are more agreeable." The only mental response I had to this statement was "are you sure women are more agreeable, or do you just perceive that they agree with you and have no real comprehension of how much they disagree with you?"

"Men's higher drive for status."

Someone please correct me if there is another response I'm supposed to have other than only being able to utilize blatant sarcasm to try to enter into the mindset of the author of this article, and me trying to be agreeable to it:

Well, thank you for pointing out these fundamental permanent underlying unique biological traits holding women back from progress that Google has taken an unhealthy and self destructive burden on by trying to correct.

If women could just...stop living in denial about how neurotic they are, how they are more agreeable, and overall just, not as motivated to reach high status positions, along with the obvious fact that they are more into social things than code, and that women like people and men like things, then maybe women could start coming to terms with why they are less successful, and we could have more pyschological safety in the work place if more men in the office could be open about these things and not feel scared to propogate them as undisputable truth.

Perhaps some cooperation and pair programming would help, but I'm not necessarily Google should arbitrarily engage in doing that "just" to make it more appealing to women, instead Google should "be more open about the science of human nature". The sooner we can all just acknowledge women are neurotic agreeable socialites that eventually want to work part time and aren't driven by status, the sooner we can close the gender gap here at Google.

Thank you, thank you so much for all the other people just like me at Google who agree with me but are too scared to say it because...well once you say it, it sounds so pathetically incorrect I'm the only one who is so drenched in my own understanding of reality that everyone else is clearly in denial about, who had the courage to say it.

Thank you, thank you again for your time.

[mirko22]

What he said is actually correct from Psychological standpoint

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits#Ge...

The ratios of each trait combined together is what gives you your personality.

[usmeteora]

Did you read the sentence right after that where they talk about attributing factors, and do not end any of those sentences with "and thats what gives you your peronality"?

"A plausible explanation for this is that acts by women in individualistic, egalitarian countries are more likely to be attributed to their personality, rather than being attributed to ascribed gender roles within collectivist, traditional countries.[109] "

I wonder if anxiety and neuroticism reports by women are results of historically not being equal or having equal opportunities for venues for independence. I Wonder how living in collectivist traditional countries or working in environments with traditionalist roles about what females roles should be would cause a women anxiety if she didnt really fit those roles.

I wonder if its ever wondered if women are just a certain way or rather is anxiety and "neuroticism" reports are due to the world they live in.

I wonder if we could change that world.

nah...its probably just their personality...

[rullelito]

He's trying to reason about why the aggregated trend in the world looks the way it does. He repeatedly points out that this can never be assumed to hold on an individual level.

You are saying women do not experience anxiety more than men? Do men not strive for status more than women? Women are not more people-oriented than men?

[anonymouskimmer]

I'm a historically highly neurotic man. Klockan posts the following link above: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2031866/

The author did not seem to me to be arguing for a biological cause, though I only read the manifesto once and may easily have missed this.

There are genuine sociological reasons for Women, who are on average much shorter and weaker than Men, who have historically raped and murdered in far greater numbers than Women, to have higher agreeableness and higher neuroticism scores on average in any society, much less modern society.

Unfortunately, like most social programs and surveys, these generalities miss the specifics and outliers. But they still statistically generalize.